Anyone have any nice stories about friends, family's sibes having a litter.

[Guest snowdog]

Hi everyone, there is allways an up and down to everything, ive read all about the downs, but not heard any happy stories about friends or family or colleagues out there that have sibes who have had a happy, sucessfull birth, is there anyone here who has any positives or is the majority that you should never ever let your sibe have babies. And yes i would love to have my sibey babe have babies and yes that may be selfish, but i am undecided and trying to get a clear decider, so ive decided to do a poll, not on wether my sibe should have babies, as i would not decide that by a poll!!!!!!! I simply want to get an overall idea from experienced sibey babe owners, if all the boxes are ticked, and aeverything is in place, and a vet is envolved, and someone with experience is at hand, what would the opinions be, yes or no.

Just to get this clear, the outcome of this will not decide the outcome of my sibe having or not having babies, it is simply to get a clear picture for my own peice of mind, thanks again everyone, and i hope the more people that can will join in as this helps us to see a majority opinion,xx

everyone this is a poll to see who would have their sibe go through pregnancy and birth, not who would let a none kc sibe give birth, i havnt mentioned that in the post because that is not why i am asking, just want to clear this up! thanks xx

[Sarah]

personally, no - but i got 2 boys lol

I wouldn't want to go through any of the problems - IMO it's not worth the risk i'd rather leave it to the more experienced.... plus I work full time and couldn't spend 24 /7 with the pups to ensure they were safe

[Sid_Wolf]

yea i know, but i said maybe because it would depend on the situation, i was unsure what to put... as right now i wouldnt, not kira

[Guest snowdog]

undecided......

[Sid_Wolf]

lol yea i suppose so, cuz even if i had a kc reg racing sibe (which is what i would breed) its still a massive decision, and not one i'd take lightly.

[Sarah]

you'd need to be able to stay with them all the time to ensure their safety and have Dog first aid knowledge as well - how to correctly give mouth to mouth etc and not be squeamish lol

[Sid_Wolf]

fu*k that, i'd pay a vet to be there the whole time! lol

[Guest snowdog]

well my vet already knows im considering it, and hes great, but may call in someone more specialised, i know its a big thing, i really do, x

[Guest snowdog]

just deleted this post as i had entered an inccorect detail oops

[carlos]

hi

Sorry but that is a total old wives tale, I actually am in shock that people still think this way :eek:

Having a litter makes NO difference to the temperament of your dog whatsoever. There is NO difference

You should go to the pound and sit with the Siberians there who have come from breeders just like you, who don't give a crap about breeding good dogs but just do it for the sake of it, while they are put to sleep because there are no homes out there for them - then come back and tell me that everyone should breed from their bitches.

Without papers you cannot prove if your dog is purebred or not - that's a fact. I guess you don't see the importance in researching your dogs lines or knowing where they have come from, seeing as papers don't mean anything? I guess hip scoring and PRA testing isn't important either?

Do you know how far removed dogs are from wolves? Do you actually think Siberians were developed directly from wolves?

Good luck finding any reputable Siberian breeder who will support you backyard breeding your dogs They actually care about the breed and care about contributing something to the gene pool, instead of adding more unpapered dogs to the masses that are PTS each year.

but thats not the breders falt its the human that sends it to be put to sleep.

plus on a unpaperd dog yes it can be proved its a sib by DNA.A AND that will make the sib stronger in direct breed than a sib with papers as the one with papers is only full breed by a indirect DNA off a past sib that has been dnaed tested. and some papers dont iven have that test so you tell me

[Luna]

but thats not the breders falt its the human that sends it to be put to sleep.

plus on a unpaperd dog yes it can be proved its a sib by DNA.A AND that will make the sib stronger in direct breed than a sib with papers as the one with papers is only full breed by a indirect DNA off a past sib that has been dnaed tested. and some papers dont iven have that test so you tell me

I'm sorry but that is TOTALLY the breeders fault!!!

I have bred from my girl Leala. Not intentionally but we have still bred. We were on holiday and left our two with 'Nan & Grandad' when leala was in season. Being inexperienced we did not know Leala was pregnant until a week before she gave birth a week early!!

We were gutted and p*ssed off. It was easy to blame the 'grandparents' but it was completely our fault and that is something we have to live with. I have learned (and lost) so much from that. 'luckily' , somewhat contraversially, as they were premature they all - but one - died. We would never have purposely bred from our dogs and thank god only one survived. We would have kept him too if our friends hadn't taken him on. We still have him back for holidays now but it is something we have regretted since and the reason both our dogs were 'done' immediately and we have fostered for rescue since that day. Our way of paying back if you like.

Make no mistake, it IS THE BREEDERS FAULT. If that dog is put to sleep for any reason, other than one random epsiode, make no doubt about where the blame lies. If someone decides to breed a dog it is their responsibility for the rest of the dogs life and if they don't accept that then breeding should never be an option.

[Sid_Wolf]

i agree luna, if your going to breed you have to be ready and willing to take on up to 12 dogs at a time, who were at any age and could have any number of training problems, and thats only from one litter! imagine if you had 3 litters! good breeders will have it written in the contract that they owner MUST return the dog back to them, although its usually rare because they make sure the pups go to the best homes possible and offer lifetime help and support anyway.

however i do agree that not everyone will take the dog back to their breeder for whatever reason, like they may have gone against the contract and bred the dog, in which case the breeder could take them to court. in these cases it is the buyers/owners fault....

[Guest snowdog]

NOTE TO ALL READERS:

PLEASE CAN YOU READ THE INTRODUCTION BEFORE VOTING IN THE POLL, AS THIS IS SILL BEING DISCUSSED AS PAPERED AND NON PAPERED SIBES!, I WOULD NEVER ASK WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF ME LETTING MY UNPAPERED SIBE HAVE A LITTER, BECAUSE IF I WANT TO DO THAT I DO NOT NEED TO JUSTIFY, DEFEND, ASK PERMISSION,E.T.C, IF YOU READ THE HEADING I AM ASKING ALL SIBE OWNERS,IF GIVEN THE FACT THEY HAD FUNDS IN THE BANK TO COVER EVERY EVENTUALITY GOOD BAD, OTHERWISE, HAD SOLICITORS WITNESS A DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD BE SIGNED BY TWO SEPERATE PARTIES IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT IF YOUR PUPS FELL ILL OR WHATEVER REASON THAT THAT PUP WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY BECOME YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU BECOME THE LEGALL OWNER, AND THAT YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT GROUNDS AND SIBE FRIENDLY AREAS TO TEND TO THE PUPS, DAM, AND NOT FORGETTING THE SIRE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE YOUR OWN MALE, THAT A VET IS INVOLVED THROGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS FROM CONCEPTION ONWARDS, AND YOU HAVE A BREEDER YOU CAN TURN TOO WHEN NEEDED, GIVEN ALL THESE FACTORS WOULD ANY OF YOU CHOOSE TO BREED YOUR SIBE, AND LETS NOT FORGET, IT IS PURELY REGARDING A ONE TIME ONLY LITTER AND THAT IS IT!

ALSO I SHOULD MENTION IT IS THE BREEDERS RESPOSIBILITY TO DO HOME CHECKS, ALSO I WOULD SUGGEST A QUESTIONNAIRE IS A GOOD WAY OF FINDING OUT IF A POTENTIAL BUYER HAS DONE THEIR RESEARCH INTO SIBES, AND PUT IN CONTRACT, THAT YOU WILL DO REGLAR HOME VISITS, ANYONE WITH A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT IS NOT WORTH BOTHERING WITH!

PLEASE GUYS CAN YOU READ ALL THE INTRO AND THEN VOTE, THIS IS NOT A KC ISSUE ALTHOUGH IT HAS TURNED THAT WAY, DO NOT VOTE UNLESS YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION! AS I WANT A CLEAR CONSISE OUTCOME THANKYOU XX

O.M.GOOOOOOD!!!!

[Guest snowdog]

if i was breeding a husky their is no question i would be there, to me dogs are like a family member.

One of our cats had a litter, and it was fantastic, also for the kids, as they can ask questions about babies etc.

great post, i too have had my older children present with every birth of every animal we have given a home to, and i encourage this as long as you closly monitor the situation, first hand knowledge is second to none, added reps xx

[Guest snowdog]

I also think every female dog should be entitled to at least 1 litter cause its a natural thing, And if you was to get them spayed after they had a litter you'd find that it calms your dog down, I think if your willing to do the hard work by looking after the dog during the pregnancie that why should'nt you? And also try to find the best homes aswell so they dont end up in kennels (papers dont mean anything)You know a full breed dog to a cross.

This is what i am mulling over one litter then spayed/neutered, i agree you have to be willing to put the work in, cos by god youll be working and fretting, so yes i agree, reps added Koda x

[Koda]

but thats not the breders falt its the human that sends it to be put to sleep.

plus on a unpaperd dog yes it can be proved its a sib by DNA.A AND that will make the sib stronger in direct breed than a sib with papers as the one with papers is only full breed by a indirect DNA off a past sib that has been dnaed tested. and some papers dont iven have that test so you tell me

totally agree with you carlos, I dont think it the breeders fault either i think its the owner fault that cant handle a sibe and then it ends up in a kennel, when i bought my koda i bought him no matter how hard it gets and for life. if i was to stick him in a kennel i'd blame myself!Cause it would be myself to blame not the breeder that sold him to me

[Guest snowdog]

yup i agree, but unfortunatly some people do not have the dedication, time and common sence it takes to handle these wonderful creatures and by the time they realise this its too late, they are hard hard work and i think part of the responsibility also does lie with the breeder to push this info onto the buyer, bombard them with info to take away, and digest whilst they have acooling off period, i think this may help in finding an approprite family for your sibey pups, then if they fail you have done your best, the buyer is at fault and then it becomes your responsibility to take over the care of that pup, or fully grown sibe if its years down the line.

[Koda]

In away i agree with you snow dog but i think befor buying a new pup you should fully read in to it and make sure your ready for the resposibility that comes with. I dont agree with taking them back couple years down the line reason being is if you had 7 pups say and they all didnt work out where would you put 7 big strong dogs? all in your front room? Na and also you dont know how they have been brought up with the previous owner. The only thing i could do is provide as much advice possible. you may think this is cruel but i couldnt, Maybe if i had a big enough house like a mansion then maybe.

[Sarah]

The breeder can throw tons of info at a potential buyer - the buyer can come back time and time again to see the pups and the breeder and give them the answers they want to hear but when the pup leaves with it's new owner, it's the new owners responsibility to do their up most for the pup and ask for help if needed. The breeder should always be on standby to help out where needed.

IMO if you can't take a pup back that you've bred then you're as bad as the person giving up the pup because if the new owner couldn't look after the pup they would fall back on you (hopefully) to take the pup on and give it a new home, if you turn them away then the pup could end up in rescue which is then both the owners and the breeders fault for not living up to their responsibility.

[Koda]

Yea but like i said the advice and surport would be there If they brought the dog back at a early age then yea maybe but not a couple years down the line when they get bored of the dog or the dog constantly shit pissing all ova the house chewing like i said you dont know how its been brought up what if its agressive towards my other dogs? At an early age i would offer it a home say under a year old but after that you cant just porn it back off on some 1 sarah cause you've had enough lol

[Bec]

totally agree with you carlos, I dont think it the breeders fault either i think its the owner fault that cant handle a sibe and then it ends up in a kennel, when i bought my koda i bought him no matter how hard it gets and for life. if i was to stick him in a kennel i'd blame myself!Cause it would be myself to blame not the breeder that sold him to me

It's the breeders responsibility to ensure their pups go to responsible homes. It may not always be the breeders fault when puppy buyers rehome their dog but that dog is ALWAYS the breeders responsibility.

Breeders have to vet homes carefully and ensure their pups are going to responsible owners - and make sure that those owners are clear that if the dog ever needs to be rehomed that it must come back to you, the breeder.

Yea but like i said the advice and surport would be there If they brought the dog back at a early age then yea maybe but not a couple years down the line when they get bored of the dog or the dog constantly shit pissing all ova the house chewing like i said you dont know how its been brought up what if its agressive towards my other dogs? At an early age i would offer it a home say under a year old but after that you cant just porn it back off on some 1 sarah cause you've had enough lol

That's a totally disgusting attitude coming from someone who has bred their dog. We have thousands and thousands of dogs PTS each year because people decide to breed their dogs, if you are going to breed your dog and make the decision to bring puppies into the world those pups are your responsibility for life.

A good breeder stays in touch with their puppy buyers, you can't just wash your hands of the dogs you breed because they've past a year old and you don't want anything more to do with them.

Sorry but you're attitude has really upset me. If a puppy buyer returns a pup to you past your set use by date, and that dog has issues which you can't resolve, and it cannot be rehomed, at least have the decency to go and sit with him while he's euthanised.

Breeders with your attitude are exactly the reason so many dogs are PTS, every day around the world.

I am a strong advocate for compulsory microchipping and for including not only the owners contact details on the chips but the breeders too - so if their dogs ever end up in rescue they are able to be contacted and must be made responsible for the dogs they have chosen to bring into the world.

Imagine how few dogs we'd euthanise if not only were breeders more careful about breeding and more careful about the homes they sell dogs to, but all breeders actually remained responsible for the puppies they bred - for the life of each dog.

[Guest snowdog]

Gotta say this, big sibes little sibes, no matter what they have come from my babies and i would never ever turn one away, i am only having one litter anyway, so if i ended up with ten big sibes still my family, i have built a big area out back which would fit this amount if needed for a time in order to rehome, and yes ive decided deffo now neeko and neo will have pups!! And if the new owner needed for whatever reason to bring him/her back i would open with welcome arms and thank god they brought them back to me and didnt leave them on a rope in a field for any freak to find and abuse, it would be hard, but i would do it, and i wished i lived in a mansion also because i would have a farmyard also, but hey i dont xx

[Sarah]

Yea but like i said the advice and surport would be there If they brought the dog back at a early age then yea maybe but not a couple years down the line when they get bored of the dog or the dog constantly shit pissing all ova the house chewing like i said you dont know how its been brought up what if its agressive towards my other dogs? At an early age i would offer it a home say under a year old but after that you cant just porn it back off on some 1 sarah cause you've had enough lol

These are some of the issues that you have to think about before breeding - not after.

If you can't take them back at any age then don't breed - simples that's my opinion anyway - i'd be devastated if a pup i'd bred ended up in a shelter - well, it'd never happen anyway i'd kick my hubby out to make more room LOL

[raindog]

We would always take any dog back that we had bred no matter what the age. We chose to bring the dog into the world and so it is OUR responsibility and always will be.

I really cannot understand the attitude of breeders who would not do this. Why breed if you can't be bothered to take your responsibilities seriously.

My (human) children don't stop being my responsibility just because they grow up and move away, nor do my puppies.

Mick

[Sid_Wolf]

That's a totally disgusting attitude coming from someone who has bred their dog. We have thousands and thousands of dogs PTS each year because people decide to breed their dogs, if you are going to breed your dog and make the decision to bring puppies into the world those pups are your responsibility for life.

A good breeder stays in touch with their puppy buyers, you can't just wash your hands of the dogs you breed because they've past a year old and you don't want anything more to do with them.

totally agree bec, rep added

if you cant be bothered to take responsibility then dont breed your dog, simple as.