Anyone have any nice stories about friends, family's sibes having a litter.

[ISDW]

2/3 hip score and to be honest im a farm breeder like you say smeagle aint i so? why's it matter to much to you anyways? why dont i just give you the other husky owners number and give them a call?

Can I ask how you managed to get him hipscored? I thought they would only score registered dogs? Apologies if I'm wrong, which obviously I am, but I thought they needed KC numbers or something to do it?

[Guest snowdog]

No you can a health check done on non kc also, thats what my vet tells me ISDW.

[Guest snowdog]

THIS IS PART OF THE HEADING AND BEGGINING OF MY POLL AS FOLLOWS

(I simply want to get an overall idea from experienced sibey babe owners, if all the boxes are ticked, and aeverything is in place, and a vet is envolved, and someone with experience is at hand, what would the opinions be, yes or no.)

I THINK WE ALL KNOW BY NOW I OWN NON KC SIBES AN THE ABOVE IS MY REASONING FOR A POLL, X THE ANSWERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES I DONT THINK PEOPLE ARE THAT STUPID TO ANSWER A POLL WITHOUT READING THE FULL HEADING AND BEGINNING ARE THEY? !

[Koda]

Can I ask how you managed to get him hipscored? I thought they would only score registered dogs? Apologies if I'm wrong, which obviously I am, but I thought they needed KC numbers or something to do it?

who ever told you that its crap. you can get any dog hip and eye tested mate even with out the paper? You think there not gonna take the money off you cause you aint got paper? and smeagle I've done chatting with you. At the beginning off the convo you called me a farm breeder? Not arsed anyway.

[Bec]

At the beginning off the convo you called me a farm breeder? Not arsed anyway.

No where have I called you a farm breeder, Koda. You're imagining things. I don't even know what you mean by farm breeder? Do you mean someone who lives on a farm and breeds working dogs, or a puppy farmer, or...?

[raindog]

A health check is a very different thing from having the appropriate tests carried out. Hip Scoring involves the dog being anaesthetised (or heavily sedated) and X-Rayed. The X-Rays then have to be sent to the BVA Panel where they are analysed by a group of vets and scored. As this is a KC/BVA scheme I was not aware that non-KC dogs can be tested under the scheme, but having just checked the BVA website, it looks like unregistered dogs can be tested under the scheme.

Similarly, very few vets are qualified or experienced enough to be able to carry out eye testing for Heriditary Cataracts, PRA, PPM and Corneal Dystrophy. These are usually done by KC/BVA approved canine opthalmologists.

Mick

[Koda]

Sorry but that is a total old wives tale, I actually am in shock that people still think this way :eek:

Having a litter makes NO difference to the temperament of your dog whatsoever. There is NO difference

You should go to the pound and sit with the Siberians there who have come from breeders just like you, who don't give a crap about breeding good dogs but just do it for the sake of it, while they are put to sleep because there are no homes out there for them - then come back and tell me that everyone should breed from their bitches.

Without papers you cannot prove if your dog is purebred or not - that's a fact. I guess you don't see the importance in researching your dogs lines or knowing where they have come from, seeing as papers don't mean anything? I guess hip scoring and PRA testing isn't important either?

Do you know how far removed dogs are from wolves? Do you actually think Siberians were developed directly from wolves?

Good luck finding any reputable Siberian breeder who will support you backyard breeding your dogs They actually care about the breed and care about contributing something to the gene pool, instead of adding more unpapered dogs to the masses that are PTS each year.

here it is smeagle enjoy

[Bec]

here it is smeagle enjoy

A backyard breeder is by definition someone who is breeding unregistered dogs. That's completely different to being a puppy farmer, who breeds 100s of dogs for commercial gain.

When I said you should sit in the pound with Siberians who have come from breeders like you I was referring to the fact that the vast majority of Siberians in rescue are unpapered and from breeders who put forward the exact same arguments for breeding that you do - that every bitch should have a litter; that bitches have nicer temperaments after whelping a litter; that its good for kids to see the miracle of life etc. Once again - I never called you a puppy farmer.

[ISDW]

here it is smeagle enjoy

I've read that, and can't see where she calls you a farmer.

[Guest snowdog]

Hmmm i have to agree with koda, there were definitly references to farming, and you shouldnt not join in on a debate because people cant have adiscussion without getting insultive( is that a word ) lol , weve all got views and opinions and how we air them is down to our character, and we live in a democrasy, so we should be objective understanding advising and not judgmental unless we are indeed a judge! Keep talking koda youve got a right to voice your opinions same as we all havex

[Bec]

Hmmm i have to agree with koda, there were definitly references to farming, and you shouldnt not join in on a debate because people cant have adiscussion without getting insultive( is that a word ) lol , weve all got views and opinions and how we air them is down to our character, and we live in a democrasy, so we should be objective understanding advising and not judgmental unless we are indeed a judge! Keep talking koda youve got a right to voice your opinions same as we all havex

Where is the reference to puppy farming? I am really at a loss as to where I have referred to anyone as a puppy farmer.

[Guest snowdog]

a health check is a very different thing from having the appropriate tests carried out. Hip scoring involves the dog being anaesthetised (or heavily sedated) and x-rayed. The x-rays then have to be sent to the bva panel where they are analysed by a group of vets and scored. As this is a kc/bva scheme i was not aware that non-kc dogs can be tested under the scheme, but having just checked the bva website, it looks like unregistered dogs can be tested under the scheme.

Similarly, very few vets are qualified or experienced enough to be able to carry out eye testing for heriditary cataracts, pra, ppm and corneal dystrophy. These are usually done by kc/bva approved canine opthalmologists.

Mick

the vets are if they specialise in the breed in hand, oh and i understand health check and specialised tests differ, i do not go into things blinckered, put yourself up for failure that way, thankyou for advice and having a diplomatic way of delivering it, x

[Koda]

I've read that, and can't see where she calls you a farmer.

seriously who was asking you? And smeagle backyard breeding and farm breeding is near enough the same if not! But yea like snowdog mentioned befor you come on this site to ask advice not for bickering and shit, if i wanted that i would have gone on a chat room. You have your opinion i have mine!

[Guest snowdog]

Here here clap clap cheeeeeer x

[Bec]

seriously who was asking you? And smeagle backyard breeding and farm breeding is near enough the same if not!

They are two completely different things!

A backyard breeder is anyone who breeds unregistered dogs. They might and often do only have one or two dogs, like yourself.

A puppy farmer breeds for commercial gain, they have literally 100s of dogs on their property and pump out 100s of pups a year to sell overseas, online, in pet stores, direct to the public etc.

They are not the same thing, not even close.

[Guest snowdog]

To me byb farming all insultive to a wide spectrum of ppl, and we shouldnt be judging, maybe informing and helping but not judging, after all unless you specialise in the field you have no right to, you do on the other hand have an opinion and that is a very different thing altogether x

[Guest snowdog]

Byb and farming done for financial gain in some ppls eyes that to me has a similarity, and its delivered in such a way that is innapropriate and offending x

[Koda]

They are two completely different things!

A backyard breeder is anyone who breeds unregistered dogs. They might and often do only have one or two dogs, like yourself.

A puppy farmer breeds for commercial gain, they have literally 100s of dogs on their property and pump out 100s of pups a year to sell overseas, online, in pet stores, direct to the public etc.

They are not the same thing, not even close.

then why you having a debate with me ? get in contact with the 1s that have hundreds of dogs then lmao? you go on about dogs being put to sleep in kennels? Get on to the people that do the most damage like breeding hundreds of dogs

[ISDW]

seriously who was asking you? And smeagle backyard breeding and farm breeding is near enough the same if not! But yea like snowdog mentioned befor you come on this site to ask advice not for bickering and shit, if i wanted that i would have gone on a chat room. You have your opinion i have mine!

Excuse me? who was asking me? This is a discussion forum, I didn't realise it was just for you to have a private conversation with someone.

Because someone doesn't agree with you they're not allowed to take part? Seriously?

[ade hill]

ok guys....lets all step back and chill out a bit pls.

there as many views to breeding, as there are dogs owners, and to be honest finding even 2 owners who completely agree on the subject is a rare thing.

this is an open forum, where people ask questions, answers and advice based on personal feeling and experience. as such sometimes its entirely possible to hear something from someone you either dont agree too or didnt want to hear.

i would suggest that making a point on either side requires a few polite lines, rather than long winded discussions as to what was said or not said.

agree to disagree....and move on.

im also making the point on not airing my views on the topic. i will only say that every dog, and every home situation is different, and much thought should be given to both the welfare of the bitch and the puppies before any decision is made

[Bec]

then why you having a debate with me ? get in contact with the 1s that have hundreds of dogs then lmao? you go on about dogs being put to sleep in kennels? Get on to the people that do the most damage like breeding hundreds of dogs

I am completely against puppy farming, but puppy farming is not the issue here. This thread is about backyard breeding and opinions on breeding, and who would and wouldn't do it.

Just because puppy farming exists does not mean that there aren't other issues that need to be addressed when it comes to dog breeding.

[Guest snowdog]

I agree with ade it is a forum for a healthy discussion and you will never ever have the whole forum on the same page, or why would there be aforum, i think the thing is i came on this site to ask for advice, instead of which i have received, innapropriate comments about byb, which instantly offends and as an adulti would think you would know this when directing it a whole audience with very different views, this should be kept light ant to the point, everyone is entitled to a view, but im afraid unless you walk in my shoes do not judge only advise, x

[Koda]

I apologise for being rude, but the point is who are you to say we cant breed our dogs? seriously and then you call us backyard breeder which is still offensive.? i no you mite be a responsible breeder by have papers and kc reg and all that but you cant start typing that were backyard breeders we have a love for the breed just like you do and if we wanted to breed our dogs and have the opportunity that you do cause you have kc then why cant we?

[Koda]

Excuse me? who was asking me? This is a discussion forum, I didn't realise it was just for you to have a private conversation with someone.

Because someone doesn't agree with you they're not allowed to take part? Seriously?

sorry by the way. Was going through a rage. Sorry again

[Guest snowdog]

Excuse me? who was asking me? This is a discussion forum, I didn't realise it was just for you to have a private conversation with someone.

Because someone doesn't agree with you they're not allowed to take part? Seriously?

please everyones opinion is welcome, but did you read the entire thread, byb or farming refrences were made that obviously offended people and i think your post came in at a heate moment x