siberian_wolf Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 well firstly thanks for calling me silly that has made the whole situation so much easier to deal with. i took on a 9 week old husky pup(suka) thinking i could give him a good loving home and have now hit a rough patch. i asked for opinions on sukas behaviour not a slanging match between members. i never put anyone down. suka does go to training clases everyweek but he is quite stubborn. as for not been a dog owner i have had dogs all my life and just cus it hasn't worked out with suka i would still have a nother dog and be able to train it. I dont really know how to put this in the right words but here it goes: Im sorry to hear about the problems with Suka and that you have had to make this difficult decision, but by the sound of what you say it sounds like you have made the right decision. Hope this causes no hard feelings I hope you find Suka a loving home. I wish I could help more but I am affraid I am unable too I would gladly offer to take Suka on but I have no space and neither am I ready to take another husky on. So Sorry Hope this causes no hard feelings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistyrayn Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 WOW ..... i have come back and .. am shocked...at what i have just read.. we all have disagreements ... and i will be first to admit myself and smeagle dont see eye to eye. but hopefully i have shown enough respect to her and other people and their opinions or methods not to enter into the sort of things i just read.. ... but ...blooming ecky thump.... im left dumbstruck... is this what u lot get upto when im not around lol sorry just joking..... erm .... im lost for what to say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex T Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 @Siberianandy - just curious as to where you live? Do you know if theres another member of this site tha lives near you? If so, could they be able to help you with Suka, if you were to give him another chance? In all honestly I respect your decision - family has to come first and if you are unsure about their safety then you are doing the right thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberianandy Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 @Siberianandy - just curious as to where you live? Do you know if theres another member of this site tha lives near you? If so, could they be able to help you with Suka, if you were to give him another chance? In all honestly I respect your decision - family has to come first and if you are unsure about their safety then you are doing the right thing! i live round the worcester area and don't think theres any members near by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex T Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Hmmm - not sure if anyone else is that way or not! As a few others have said its important that you continue to train Suka so that his new home/ owners dont have t start over from scratch! Is he your first Husky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 well firstly thanks for calling me silly that has made the whole situation so much easier to deal with. i took on a 9 week old husky pup(suka) thinking i could give him a good loving home and have now hit a rough patch. i asked for opinions on sukas behaviour not a slanging match between members. i never put anyone down. suka does go to training clases everyweek but he is quite stubborn. as for not been a dog owner i have had dogs all my life and just cus it hasn't worked out with suka i would still have a nother dog and be able to train it. But what if the other dog goes through the same 'rough patch'? As someone who has been there and was actually told that I should consider rehoming my dog, it can get better. But from your last couple of posts it sounds like you are already set on the idea of rehoming Suka and his chances of finding a new home now, at this young age, are much more likely than it is if you rehome him as he gets older and stronger. You know that the members here will support you no matter what you decide, but if you really don't feel Suka is the right match for you, then that is a choice you need to make yourself. As I said before, please do not sell him undesexed. You have no idea where he might end up if you don't Again, apologies to anyone I offended - and I&C, I did not mean to infer you were a bully, but that the method you referred to is a bullying tactic. I feel terrible that you took it to heart, I accept I over stepped the mark by being too emotional in my response, but like I said, it is something I feel very strongly about. I'll try not to comment on the alpha roll again to avoid this kind of confrontation. I don't appreciate the way you attacked me either but I can accept this is my fault for "starting it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberianandy Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 As I said before, please do not sell him undesexed. You have no idea where he might end up if you don't if i was to rehome him now this would be difficult as most vets won't neuter them till they are 6 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 eerrrrmmm i dunno i no some ppl (the ppl who are adopting them) have it in a contract that they have 2 get him desexed i no my friends dog did when she had 2 rehome him or maybe a rescue wud do it 4 u? i wud ask and find out its a shame u have 2 get rid ov him but i no family comes 1st and i respect u 4 that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirl Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Hi Andy, sorry to hear about all the problems you are having with Suka. We have a female who is 12 weeks on Saturday. Asha is our first husky but not our first dog. She sounds boistrous like your pup, and does take a lot of entertaining. We would love to offer a home to Suka but am unsure of really what that would involve. Maybe I could get some advise on here. Would it be recommended to have 2 young huskies, one male and one female, neither have been neutred, and we are not keen on neutering Asha, as have considered breeding in the future. We also have 2 children in the house, but they are older (10 and 12 yrs) Andy, how old is Suka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberianandy Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 the rescue centres do it well i know dogs trust do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberianandy Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Hi Andy, sorry to hear about all the problems you are having with Suka. We have a female who is 12 weeks on Saturday. Asha is our first husky but not our first dog. She sounds boistrous like your pup, and does take a lot of entertaining. We would love to offer a home to Suka but am unsure of really what that would involve. Maybe I could get some advise on here. Would it be recommended to have 2 young huskies, one male and one female, neither have been neutred, and we are not keen on neutering Asha, as have considered breeding in the future. We also have 2 children in the house, but they are older (10 and 12 yrs) Andy, how old is Suka? suka is 5 months old and havent actually made up mind yet about rehoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 yeah i knew dogtrust did it as we got bings from there n he was fixed shirl two pups are better than 1 sum ppl will tell u they will play 2geva keep each other entertained tho double the fun they can b dounle the trouble twice as many things chewed twice as much food/money twice as much dog mess i wud think long and hard about it just 2 c if u cud afford it and cud cope with 2 pups if yes then go for it obv if its ok with andy......... we posted at same time lol glad ur in 2 minds bout rehoming it will take time and hard work i knew u were worried about agression wit ur kids around is there anyway they can participate in some training and settin some rules they have 2 follow when around the dog? ( not sayin u dnt have rules for the kids when Suka's around just u havent mentioned it ) i dunno im tryin my best to help im just not very good at giving advice sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirl Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 suka is 5 months old and havent actually made up mind yet about rehoming Sorry Andy I didn't mean to offend. Just thought I would get some advise from other members before I considered it! Of course you need to decide what is best for you and Suka :thumbs_up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Shirl, 2 huskies are easier than 1 i can guarantee that lol Ok, more poop to scoop and more expensive but they keep each other entertained lol. If you decide to get another i would get either another female or a neutered male then she won't be having pups at a very young age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Shirl, 2 huskies are easier than 1 i can guarantee that lol Ok, more poop to scoop and more expensive but they keep each other entertained lol. If you decide to get another i would get either another female or a neutered male then she won't be having pups at a very young age I totally agree Sarah, although I tend to recommend waiting until the first pup is at least 6 months old before adding a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and Cripton Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 well firstly thanks for calling me silly that has made the whole situation so much easier to deal with. i took on a 9 week old husky pup(suka) thinking i could give him a good loving home and have now hit a rough patch. i asked for opinions on sukas behaviour not a slanging match between members. i never put anyone down. suka does go to training clases everyweek but he is quite stubborn. as for not been a dog owner i have had dogs all my life and just cus it hasn't worked out with suka i would still have a nother dog and be able to train it. I dont think your silly, many times have we had a family meeting and discussed balto's wellfare but we stuck with it for 1 month more and it turned out okay. Again really sorry and nothing in that petty feud was about you, i really do feel for you and i hope whatever you do it benefits you and suka:) Again, apologies to anyone I offended - and I&C, I did not mean to infer you were a bully, but that the method you referred to is a bullying tactic. I feel terrible that you took it to heart, I accept I over stepped the mark by being too emotional in my response, but like I said, it is something I feel very strongly about. I'll try not to comment on the alpha roll again to avoid this kind of confrontation. I don't appreciate the way you attacked me either but I can accept this is my fault for "starting it". yeh i know, it was stupid but that's just how i get when i also passionately think that the methods we use are not wrong. I still also believe that the submissive position is just that >> submitting them and not bullying, but we'll just have to agree to disagree. I thought you could of come off a bit more friendly in your approach to educate me and others on different methods. However i am kinda of ashamed of myself, here we are having a private wrestling match when someone else needed help, really sorry to you and all and hope it doesn't affect us in furture post, i still think about 90% of the time your answers are great and i couldn't agree with them more >> and will be added them to your rep;) soz again I&C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Ok...i'm glad to hear that you are rethinking the rehoming...but at the end of the day your kids have to come first... How old are they? Our trainer at puppy class said to everyone, that each week/month he sits down the wife and kids and goes through the rules of the dogs...are your kids old enough to understand this? I'm guessing things like: Ignore the dog when you come home from school/walk in a room. Make Suka sit and wait when you're feeding him, let the kids feed him...after they have had something to eat first, a biscuit/anything...shows they are above him... walk through doors before him not allowed on beds/sofa (this is a hard one! we stuck to the bed for sleeping, but cracked on the sofa!) Have the kids 'train' him, doing sit, down etc...if they're young like josh, i give the command, make her do the thing then he gives the treat If he's going on a mad run, get the kids out the way... i know this sounds a bit odd, but in my opinion there is nothing you can do about this, they need to get their energy out somehow, we just pick josh up and move him....let her do her 5 mins of madness, then we can all play calmly again. If he bites/goes to bite, you or your wife calmly pick him up/lead him to his crate and give him a time out...or a different room if you can Also it might be an idea to have him on a lead/house line when in the house, so his behaviour can be corrected immediately, or may not happen... Along with the biting, our trainer has advised us/another husky owner to use a plastic bottle filled with stones, and each of the family have one, and potentially carry it around the house, so if he goes to bite 'shock' him with the noise, shake it a couple of times...i think you need to keep it hidden as best you can. I'm not a trainer, but these are the things we have done/doing. Something may be of use, i don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 good post Sarah added 2 rep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 great post sarah - added to rep I hope you manage to find a solution for Suka and yourselves other than re-homing Please keep us updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammie Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 hello everyone, i'm andys better half, thanks for the advice some of you have kindly shared regarding suka, i have to say and i told andy the same thing, that video he uploaded is an extremely poor example of what really happens when suka goes off on one, i agree in that clip andy uploaded, that is suka's 'i want to play' mode. However, we haven't been able to video his problem sucessfully as of yet as he pretty much see's the red mist and jumps up and bites at us, if you turn away he continues to come back at you snapping and snarling. Yesterday we decided to let him play in the garden with the kids and he bit my daughters hand and wouldn't stop biting at her until i stepped in to remove his mouth from her arm...he did leave a lot of marks and bruises on her arm from that and she was crying her eyes out, she has just turned 4. Suka didn't bother with the baby, he sniffs her and leaves well alone which shows promise, because she is a very easy target, and he didn't bother with my son who is almost 3 (but then he pretty much stays away from the dog most of the time through his own choice)....Suka will sit for a treat on our daughters command which is also good, he just needs to learn some boundaries about the biting. I will be honest here, and andy i am sorry but you know it as much as i do...Andy doesn't have a very authoritive voice when it comes to handling a dog, its almost as though he is saying 'well if you don't mind, i'd like you to sit' and i think suka has taken note of this and has learnt how to exploit andy and thus ignores pretty much anything andy says... I didn't want to have to take over and be the main handler as at the end of the day, andy wanted a sibe and wanted to train it himself, but i think the only way he will get anywhere with suka is if i step in and work with him. I haven't done much in the way of training with suka until now but when i walked into sukas space and commanded him to sit, he did so...i commanded him to go into a down, and he did, and i commanded him to 'quiet' when he was barking and he did (briefly) and he also leaves on command. I think he needs a strong personality type to steer him into the right direction, he can totally sense that i won't mess about and i mean business... I would like to know how you would perhaps go about stopping a husky from barking as you walk down the street, he barks at everyone we pass, every dog we pass, and he pulls in the direction to get to these people/dogs...we have tried the leave command but he is almost hell bent on going over to them, and i know its not necessarily to be aggressive, but its bad doggy manners, and it can come across as aggressive to those that do not know the breed. I tried distraction today and it works to a degree, is that the way forward or am i setting him up for something worse? Just some background on our situation with him, we bought him from a breeder at 9 weeks of age, at the site he was seperated from his mother and was in a pen with his siblings, i cannot vouch for how long he had been seperated from his mother but my guess is it has been a while as he has no manners as though his mother never taught him what is acceptable. We have 3 children aged 4, almost 3 and 5 months. We have previously owned a labrador who i sucessfully trained to do practically anything i wanted him to (he even pee'd on command!)...We know suka wasn't very well socialised when we bought him to our home and we have been trying very hard to familiarise him with all shapes and sizes of people and dogs, as well as traffic, vets and bathtimes. He is most of the time a really good lil puppy, he just has these scary moments that make you sit back and wonder what is going to happen if we cannot rectify this now. I will help andy for now and see what can be done, but it really is up to andy to step up and take the reins on this because suka has to listen to everyone not just me. I don't want to rehome him, and i know it will break andy's heart if we have to, it has been his dream to own a sibe since he was a little boy. I also know despite suka biting my daughter, she loves him to bits and talks about him all the time, and i simply cannot give up on a dog that is such a big part of our lives. I will also go along to the next dog training session and ask them for advice to see if there is anything else they might suggest. Andy wouldn't have posted this if he wasn't desperate for help, he doesn't often ask for help. We are first time husky owners who need a bit of guidance on the behaviour issues that may arise, we want to make suka happy and we want to trust him. He isn't all bad, we know that. Thankyou for reading and showing interest in our puppy, we appreciate the time and effort you all put in to helping us. sorry this is a novel too lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 hi sammie u say u distract him and this works 2 a degree i wud carry on with the distraction technique if it works blaze pulls over to play with every1 and everything he sees but he doesnt bark or anythin and distracting him doesnt wrk i wish it did then as he starts 2 ignore other dogs u cud wrk on him ignoring them as they walk right past him (tho i no this will take time) let us no how it goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 hey Sammie, its good to see your back on Im very sorry but your situation with Suka has completely baffles me at the moment but Im sure someone on here can put you in the right direction If I think of anything or find anything that will be of use to you I shall put it on here Sorry its not much help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Hi fantastic post, thank you for sharing. I'm so sorry to hear about what happened to your daughter today, I really hope she's ok. Suka didn't bother with the baby, he sniffs her and leaves well alone which shows promise, because she is a very easy target, and he didn't bother with my son who is almost 3 (but then he pretty much stays away from the dog most of the time through his own choice)....Suka will sit for a treat on our daughters command which is also good, he just needs to learn some boundaries about the biting. If you walk Suka with the baby, always make sure he stays behind the pram, this will make it known that the baby is more dominant than he is I will be honest here, and andy i am sorry but you know it as much as i do...Andy doesn't have a very authoritive voice when it comes to handling a dog, its almost as though he is saying 'well if you don't mind, i'd like you to sit' and i think suka has taken note of this and has learnt how to exploit andy and thus ignores pretty much anything andy says... I didn't want to have to take over and be the main handler as at the end of the day, andy wanted a sibe and wanted to train it himself, but i think the only way he will get anywhere with suka is if i step in and work with him. I haven't done much in the way of training with suka until now but when i walked into sukas space and commanded him to sit, he did so...i commanded him to go into a down, and he did, and i commanded him to 'quiet' when he was barking and he did (briefly) and he also leaves on command. I think he needs a strong personality type to steer him into the right direction, he can totally sense that i won't mess about and i mean business... I think stepping in for the moment is a great idea, giving yourself to the alpha position will make Suka realise he can't get away with what he is doing at the moment. Once Andy sees how Suka has changed, I'm sure he will be able to pick up from you I would like to know how you would perhaps go about stopping a husky from barking as you walk down the street, he barks at everyone we pass, every dog we pass, and he pulls in the direction to get to these people/dogs...we have tried the leave command but he is almost hell bent on going over to them, and i know its not necessarily to be aggressive, but its bad doggy manners, and it can come across as aggressive to those that do not know the breed. I tried distraction today and it works to a degree, is that the way forward or am i setting him up for something worse? With mine, they very rarely bark at anything but if they do while we are walking i give the lead a tug and make the SHHHH noise that Ceaser does on TV. This distracts them, I then stop make them sit and focus on me and when they have calmed down i start walking again. At first, you may have to do this 10 times just to walk past someone's house but he will learn very very quickly that it isn't acceptable behaviour to bark all the time. Just some background on our situation with him, we bought him from a breeder at 9 weeks of age, at the site he was seperated from his mother and was in a pen with his siblings, i cannot vouch for how long he had been seperated from his mother but my guess is it has been a while as he has no manners as though his mother never taught him what is acceptable. We have 3 children aged 4, almost 3 and 5 months. We have previously owned a labrador who i sucessfully trained to do practically anything i wanted him to (he even pee'd on command!)...We know suka wasn't very well socialised when we bought him to our home and we have been trying very hard to familiarise him with all shapes and sizes of people and dogs, as well as traffic, vets and bathtimes. He is most of the time a really good lil puppy, he just has these scary moments that make you sit back and wonder what is going to happen if we cannot rectify this now. Have faith, you WILL get there, think positive. I'd really like you to come to the meet in May, i'd like to walk him with Kimba as well - Kaiser is too bouncy but I think walking with an older dog may help. Also if you come to the meet we can see how he is and help in anyway we can You both love Suka very much and that comes across so much in your posts, I can see how hard this must be for you and really do sympathise with you all. We're all here to help and i'm sure you will get some excellent replies to your post. If you want to have a chat I can PM you my number if you like? Good luck with everything and remember - we're always here xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 great post sarah some good advice there i wud add 2 rep but i cnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 fantastic post sarah, added to rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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