Jamie_426 Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 :asshole2: The breeder we got oscar from promised he would provide copies of both parents papers and i made him sign a sheet saying papers to follow i have tried contacting him for about 3 week and still nothing, even though papers don't matter because hes pedigree hes blatently ignoring me it seems the parents cannot be kc reg because he would of kc all pups to get more money as a result of the igronance i have sent a email to my local solicitiors i think i have a big chance having him sign a piece of paper to say he would send me both parents papers and he's totally ignored me so if it goe's to small claims court it will not look good for him what doe's everybody else think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and Cripton Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Oh sorry to hear that, i hope you have success >>> My 2 dont have papers, papers dont make a dog but i also find it frustrating being ignored hummpffff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazz Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 As a matter of principle, I'd take the guy to court. Don't know how it works in the UK, but here in the US, it would be a civil matter, so it would require hiring an attorney and filing a law suit. Law enforcement would not normally get involved, and about the only option for filing a complaint would be with what is called the Better Business Bureau, but they have no authority. Hope you have a better system in the UK. As far as papers go, I have never registered any of my dogs. Once I get them home and they wrap me around their little toes, that's all I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and Cripton Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 lol @ Dave, and nope our system sucks, civil matter, would be really hard to impossible to sue, its probably more timely and costly than buying an actaul KC reg dog. BUT on princible, espec if he advertised he was KC and you paid under the impression..you could try fraud or seomthing. Keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_426 Posted September 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 due to the fact he signed his signature to the agreement of sending the papers if it went to small claims court it turns out he doesn't have papers sounds like he will be in for fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazz Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 lol @ Dave, and nope our system sucks, civil matter, would be really hard to impossible to sue, its probably more timely and costly than buying an actaul KC reg dog. BUT on princible, espec if he advertised he was KC and you paid under the impression..you could try fraud or seomthing. Keep us posted! Oh there is one other approach we can take here in the US, that is file a written complaint with the State Attorney General. If a citizen has been defrauded, the State has a duty to step in. The only problem is, they prioritize, so that's why things like this usually end up in civil court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 just be careful how u go about it all, what i mean is try not to involve the kennel club as a general rule if they have a dispute the dog runs the risk of being struck of the kennel club register. Hope u get the right results and the breeder sees sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Is he sending copies of the parents papers or the puppy's papers? I wouldn't bother going to court over something like this unless you had bought a pedigree dog and were waiting for the pups papers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_426 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 yes he is going to send them but hasent and it can go to court small claims court particulary for this case, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and Cripton Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 What do you think Jamie...do you think he has them but just cant be bothered or doesnt want to pay..or do you think its all crap and he cant be registered?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ade hill Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 i have some advice, prob wont go down well but hey... take a chill pill, forget it, and move on. Oscar is no less a great dog for not having papers, will give you the same amount of fun and love, and a court case will add to stress and isnt really needed unless you wish to breed, race or show him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_426 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 to be honest ice when i come to buying the pup first thing i said was is it's parents kc registerd he answerd yes i don't believe 1 of it's parents is registerd otherwise he would of kc all pups to get more money the pup is still worth 500 with not kc reg but with kc reg 650 + and it doesnt cost too much to register a pup he signed a piece of paper saying papers to follow, but i think because he knew we was young he thought we wouldn't do anything he will have a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and Cripton Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 hmmmm very unfair way to behaive >>> Alaska's breeders didn't try anything like that but he did add in the stud is a champion from China...no papers, no proof when asked but at least he made it clear they were un-registered. Is he ignoring your calls too? I would spring a suprise visit on him lol .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 did he charge you 500 or 650? if he only charged you 500, why bother with the court case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_426 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 500, oscar will always be oscar simples but he signed his name to the agreement and he hasen't met that agreement so i have every right to get a solicitor it will not cost me anything because im a student. and he lives in lincolnshire i live in leeds so it's a fair distance to drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 if he only charged you 500, then he was basically saying that he wasn't going to get the kc papers as the pups wouldn't be kc reg, so he didn't charge you more. sorry just really confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_426 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 what i was saying is if the parents were kc registerd is he would of kc all pups to get more money but they werent he tried saying the parents were so i wanted papers to prove it and a signature so i got that so that was the agreement and he's broke that agreement because he hasent sent me any and ignores me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 oh ok. I still think you will be wasting your time, whether it would cost you anything or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and Cripton Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Well i dont think your wasteing your time, you have every right to challenge this breeder, but i do agree Oscar is the the key thing here, papers or not you have a fab husky;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_426 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 perfectly right, ice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISDW Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Sorry, I'm still a bit confused. You bought a pup from someone who said the parents were KC registered, and that if you wanted the pup to be registered, it could be for 650? But you said you didn't want the pup registered, so you paid 500? Now you want to see the parent's papers? Why? You can't register your dog yourself, so it doesn't make any difference. Why didn't you see the parents papers when you went to see the pup, instead of waiting for him to send you a copy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_426 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 i bought a none kc registerd pup i know you can't kc it yourself only the breeder can and he said he would give me copies of the parents what i was saying is the parents can't be kc registerd because they would of kcd the pups and got more money any 1 with common sence would do that besides it all theres something fishy because hes totally ignored me to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 were the pups advertised and if so - have you got a copy of the advertisement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISDW Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Why didn't you ask to see the parents papers when you saw the pup? Or when you collected it? I think that you should chalk it up to experience. I'm not sure that just because you're a student, you will get legal aid, I'd suggest you check that out because if not, I wouldn't waste my money sueing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Why didn't you ask to see the parents papers when you saw the pup? Or when you collected it? I think that you should chalk it up to experience. I'm not sure that just because you're a student, you will get legal aid, I'd suggest you check that out because if not, I wouldn't waste my money sueing them. Totally agree here. What is the point in having the parents papers? The pup wasn't advertised as a pedigree dog and therefore the breeder has no real obligation to you. Saying that he'd send you copies of or show you the parents papers doesn't mean much unless this was part of the advertisement or sale agreement. And even then - you bought from a dodgy, unregistered breeder. It's not worth going to court over, chalk it up to experience and use this experience to teach you to buy from a reputable breeder next time. Seeing the parents papers is still no proof your dog is purebred - because you have no idea if the papers really belong to the dogs who are the parents of your pup. It's not worth your time, money and energy. You've got the pup now so chalk this up to experience and enjoy your puppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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