Sherrie_x Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Sorry everyone but just had to vent about how angry i am. I have a youtube page for vids of my dogs etc and i commented on a video of a husky anyway to cut things sort i mentioned Niko & Chance stopped coming back when off lead around 9 months old. So some stupid woman has commented saying thats good so she knows what to expect and that she has an electric collar with a remote so that when hers doesnt come back shes going to shock it!!!! I am fuming and think this is disgusting and cruel. I told her to put one on herself and shock herself see how she likes it. I cant believe anyone would use something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow63 Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I personally would never use one on my pups, but I know people that use them and they equate it to an electric fence. They claim that after the dog is trained on using the collar that they don't actually need to shock them anymore and that the threat of the shock using the tone feature is enough to get the dog to listen. I understand that it is a way to get the dog's attention back on you if it is focused on something else, but I agree, I think that it is cruel and the owners who do it should shock themselves first so that they know how it feels and they can judge if they want to put their dog in that much discomfort/pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mydiamond Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 There are several members here who believe in the use of e-collars, so I hope this discussion would remain civil. However, I do recall that they either use the beep or vibrate feature to imitate clicker training. I'm not really sure the shock feature is created for that situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 This is one of the most hotly debated topics on the forum with members on here who strongly believe in either side. Like already mentioned I too hope that this thread remains civil and respectful to the differing points of view. Personally, I haven't had much experience with shock collars but would be unwilling to use them myself. I'm sure they have their place somewhere in this world, most likely with professional trainers and used under strict guidance, but it's not something that I would feel comfortable with for my dogs. Having read through many a debate from people more experienced than myself, it was my understanding that shock collars were designed as a tool to target specific learned behaviours rather than against something like a prey drive which is more of a natural instinct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrie_x Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I just think there are other ways to train and get your dog to respond to you without inflicting any kind of pain/discomfort and just cannot agree with it to be honest i just find it cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 nothing to say here hate the thought of them would never shock my babies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Haven't realy had any experience or know any info on these, I can't realy imagine wanting to use one though, would much rather just not take him off the lead than hurt him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBELHOWLUC49 Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I see them as a last resort, you know, use or put the dog down scenario. Know the breed behaviour, know your limitations and if the breed is not suitable to your commitment level then don't take that dog home. Find a dog that you don’t need to electrocute to come back. Hope that is not to harsh or patronising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 ouch but agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TessaHelen Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 They have been made illegal in Wales but not in England. Go figure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 they should be band every where them and prong collars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robke Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 if you want to know what they feel like ... go to an electric fence and pee on it...that will give you some idea.. make sure it is on tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 have you done it Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robke Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 have you done it Rob yes and it bleeping well hurts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 you Muppet but please do again on vid lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robke Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 you Muppet but please do again on vid lol maybe I will do that... NOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 spoil sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazz Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Anyone who pees on an electric fence has got more fortitude than I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 no just plain stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornet Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Rio was trained with a e-collar, they are a good tool if used properly. There are different levels of settings for the collar and I have tried them all on myself, for Rio I had it on a middle setting which was enough to get his attention. I rarely use it now unless we go somewhere with deer or sheep and then I only need to use the bleep or vibrate. Don't get me wrong but I have seen other people using these collars badly and zapping there dogs for slightest thing which gives them a bad name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheDogWhisperer Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 The shock collar (or e-collar) is a tool like any other, and when used properly can produce results quickly and effectively. However, in the hands of those who don't know what they're doing, the tool is gonna cause damage. I believe every tool has a place, so long as they're used properly. A person who wants to inflict pain will do so with whatever tool; be it an e-collar or even a head collar. The ban on them is the result of people who just don't know how the tool works and how it should work. I personally would want to see them only given by professional trainers who can help the owner every step of the way...that way no dog with the collar is put through unnecessary pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 well i still say ban the lot of em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow63 Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I have to agree that they can be utilized in a way that can be beneficial for training purposes, but I hate to think of what some people would constitute as "training". I still think that you should have to be exposed to the shock before you use it on the dog so that you know what type and how much pain you are inflicting on them. I for one would never use them on my girls, but I can see the merits of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 i'll try one on a kid if it screams then no way on my babies lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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