jules dief taz tor Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 right , have read the breed standard, and to be honest i bloody confussed lol, is there any way of taking the standard point by point , and having clear instructions as to what each point actually means , with maybe some pics for good examples and bad examples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Head and Skull Medium size in proportion to the body, presents a finely chiselled fox-like appearance. Slightly rounded on top, tapering gradually from widest point to eyes. Muzzle medium length and width, neither snipy nor coarse, tapering gradually to rounded nose. Tip of nose to stop equidistant from stop to occiput. Stop clearly defined but not excessive. Line of the nose straight from the stop to tip. Nose black in grey, tan or black dogs; liver in copper dogs; and may be flesh-coloured in pure white. In winter, pink-streaked ‘snow nose’ is acceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 right to begin with muzzle medium length and width , compaired to what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic_Sibe Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I am guessing you read the article below Jules? http://www.siberianhuskyclub.com/abouthuskies/breedstandard At the end of the day i'm sure it willl only be the judges interpretation of these guidelines. I'm sure someone will post more detailed information on each point though. Can we please all keep the answers informative and not turn this thread into a slanging match with reference to byb's, puppy farms, KC or non KC dogs? Let's just stick to clarifying what the standard should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 thats all im after, info, i really would love to know what the breed standard looks like point by point as im sure there isnt 1 dog that is everything it needs to be , and i understand the judge will have his or her own interpretation of the standard , but some clarity of what is good or bad would be good to know lol and i agree about kc non kc blah blah, it doesnt really matter a muzzle is a muzzle lol i just want to know what the breed standard muzzle is lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and Cripton Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I see what you mean, it would be nice for someone to go through it, unfortunately im hopeless and dont have a clue..soz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemma Riley Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Have a look at this websie, its three judges discussing the AKC breed standard, with photos to show what is right and wrong http://www.kossok.com/kossok1/standard1.html They are discussing the AKC standard but it does not vary greatly from ours Gemma x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raindog Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I agree with Gemma. The Kossok article is really useful for getting a practical understanding of the standard. I always reread it before a judging appointment - it's a great refresher. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 great link Gemma added to rep, have bookmarked to read through later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 good link, have had a look through it , and it still makes little sense, in the fact that 3 different judges, seem to have their own take on the standard, and also seem to have their own likes and dislikes, so does it boil down to what judge you get on the day as to what dog is decided to be best in show? if so , what are breeders supposed to aim for ? seriously im not taking the wet, i want to learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I think they make more sense when you start going to shows or begin exhibiting, the more hands on experience you get in the breed and the more you talk to breeders etc the easier you begin to understand the breed standard. I actually talked to a friend about this the other day - she commented that when she first got into our breed (beagles) she didn't see much difference between each dog but now she's been going to shows regularly and being more involved in the breed she can see difference in type and knows what she prefers. Definitely, certain judges will prefer certain types and have their own preferences - the breed standard is, to a certain degree, open to interpretation. There will always been room for interpretation in any breed standard, you will always see a degree of variance in type within a breed. It doesn't make one type wrong over the other and to an untrained eye some people may not even see the differences in type There is only so much reading you can do, nothing beats practical experience and having people explain the breed standard to you face to face and the more you are involved in the breed the more you learn what it all means and what is open to interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raindog Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 One of the problems with our breed standard is that it leans heavily on terms like "medium" and "moderate" which are open to individual interpretation. When judging, I have always found it useful to think back to the original purpose of the Chukchi dogs - pulling lightly laden sleds at moderate speeds in large teams over vast distances in arctic/sub-arctic conditions. If you bear those factors in mind when looking at the breed standard, it adds a little perspective. Part of the problem in the UK at present is that the development of short-distance sprint racing has encouraged (by default or design) characteristics within the breed which run counter to its original purpose - less coat, longer bodies, hound-like sprung back ends etc. There are a series of interesting articles here: http://www.artyk.com/artyk/articles.html which cover some of these aspects very well. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 book marked to read later , thankyou , so how would get get into showing, and if the breed standard is open to such interpretation how do you judge if you think a dog is worthy to be entered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 very interesting subject and some great replies added to reps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 bump, still waiting lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemma Riley Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Hiya If you want to get in showing its normally the breeder of your dog that will take you and teach you the ropes. They would give you all the help you needed. If you do not have this option, the best way is to go to some Open or Champ shows to watch and meet some sibe people. They can show you whats going on and most of us dont mind talking about our dogs You will need to go to a ringcraft class, this is where you teach your dog how to behave in the showring and are great for socialisation. Its also a good place to get some help and to pick up schedules for local open shows. All dogs, bred correctly and KC registered are worthy of entering a show! they do have to be entire unless you have authorisation from the KC to show neutered/speyed You can enter shows here - Siberian Huskies are in the Working Group www.fossedata.co.uk www.dog.biz www.penneypine.co.uk Heres a list of all Open shows in 2009 http://www.prodogs.net/open%20shows/general_open_shows_2009.htm Heres a list of all Champ shows in 2009 http://www.prodogs.net/championship/championship_shows_2009.htm There are 3 differant type of shows Companion - Any dog can enter KC registered or not - These are just fun shows, but are great for practice Open - This is where you will have breed classes, less formal than Champ shows but a good day out! Championship - These are the ones that you qualify your dog for Crufts (another Champ show) and can make dogs up to Champions by getting Champion certificates (a dog needs 3 to become a champ) Hope that helps a little bit Gemma x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowSpirit Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 I didn't read the rest of posts becouse i don't have time, but i hope that this article will help you! http://www.kossok.com/kossok1/standard1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowSpirit Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Also there are some great books that we have from USA: 'The new complete Siberian Husky' 'A new owners guide to Siberian Huskies' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 thankyou, and nope going to the breeder aint gonna happen a 10 hour drive each time is a bit much lol, but will read through everything else put up, thanx guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 great info added to rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 I'm not sure what it's like in the UK but I can tell you what I'd do here and what I will probably be doing with my next dog as I'd like to try show: Do your research on breeders and decide on one who you have a rapport with and whose dogs you like in terms of type, soundness etc. Obviously it needs to be a breeder willing to sell you a show potential pup - here in Oz only dogs on main registered pedigree papers can show and breed their dogs, pet owners are given limited registered pedigree papers which prohibits you from showing/breeding as not every pup in the litter will be show or breeding quality. I don't think any country allows dogs without proper pedigree papers to be shown. If you have a good breeder they will mentor you when it comes to showing, you will learn more about the breed and what makes a good dog and what doesn't. Most places have show training classes that teach you what to do in the ring and how to handle your dog which is very important. Your breeder should guide you as to which shows you can enter and what classes you enter your dog in etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowSpirit Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 http://www.kossok.com/kossok1/Select.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 oh great link Brigi - added to rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbb23 Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Great answers & Links guys Added to reps x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcos Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 here is a link that talks about their history and all. with additional links at the bottom of the page... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Husky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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