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[chelseafan]

I used a behaviourist for Luka and after the first session Emma gave me lots of training to do, by the time I saw her the second time she noticed a massive improvement with Luka. I would say the results depend on how much effort you put into the training, Emma gave me lots of fantastic ideas and I’m still using them, Luka is settling really well on walks and around other dogs.
Markie, you offer some really good advice and I enjoy reading your posts, but I believe the Alpha way works within the dog pack, I look at using positive reinforcement as a way of working harmoniously with my 2.


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[Markie]

I used a behaviourist for Luka and after the first session Emma gave me lots of training to do, by the time I saw her the second time she noticed a massive improvement with Luka. I would say the results depend on how much effort you put into the training, Emma gave me lots of fantastic ideas and I’m still using them, Luka is settling really well on walks and around other dogs.
Markie, you offer some really good advice and I enjoy reading your posts, but I believe the Alpha way works within the dog pack, I look at using positive reinforcement as a way of working harmoniously with my 2.


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Thank you. It works on human also with huskies anyway. I have my report I wrote for a class I was taking two months ago more then enough evidence to show other wise [emoji4]
But I have been told that also it's on here called my huskies. [emoji2]
I really like giving advice its nice to know someone enjoys reading it. Thanks really. Usually if there wasn't a 4 year old getting ready to get bit and there was more time to make sure all was safe this wouldn't have been my first option but as it is this husky is aggressive toward a four year old boy who has done nothing wrong but be in the same house. I still believe it's the right thing to do for this circumstance at this moment. It should stop the snapping with no issue the growling will die down also.

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[BingBlaze n Skyla]

Dogs aren't wolves , the alpha way of thinking is outdated and without knowing the dogs background I wouldn't personally suggest it especially around a kid , at least atm the dog is giving a warning next time the dog might not if he's just gonna get pinned down every time , I'd seriously recommend seeking out a behaviourist instead of that method

 

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[Markie]

Dogs aren't wolves , the alpha way of thinking is outdated and without knowing the dogs background I wouldn't personally suggest it especially around a kid , at least atm the dog is giving a warning next time the dog might not if he's just gonna get pinned down every time , I'd seriously recommend seeking out a behaviourist instead of that method
 
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Hey I said that in my hints to what it was. I know it works but the OP can do whatever he likes. Neither one will hurt the husky.
I only think it's outdated because not we think they are our equal or just to make people happy complaining because it was to hard to get the husky down.
I don't think it was outdated for any real reason besides that. There might be science to show it maybe but science has many things that are in correct this hopefully will lighten the mood lol
I can't say it I'm laughing to hard and im having the strangest minute of Deja Vu so I shouldn't say it either because in my dream it didn't work for me lol [emoji23][emoji23]
But OP you can as you please with your husky. That is just what I have done when they get aggressive.

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[Emma]

One thing to consider here. There’s a big responsibility attached to any advice offered online. I’m not gonna lie and say I approve of the alpha roll but neither am I gonna get on my high horse at this moment in time either. The thing to consider though is that whilst your family are experienced with this practice, the people reading this may not be and therefore could potentially end up being put at risk of being bitten if they follow the advice online without really understanding what’s going on or why.

That’s why it’s important to have a professional present when dealing with aggressive behaviours, to protect both the dog and the people.

 

 

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[Markie]

One thing to consider here. There’s a big responsibility attached to any advice offered online. I’m not gonna lie and say I approve of the alpha roll but neither am I gonna get on my high horse at this moment in time either. The thing to consider though is that whilst your family are experienced with this practice, the people reading this may not be and therefore could potentially end up being put at risk of being bitten if they follow the advice online without really understanding what’s going on or why.
That’s why it’s important to have a professional present when dealing with aggressive behaviours, to protect both the dog and the people.
 
 
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Your good!!! [emoji2][emoji7] That's a very fair statement. [emoji4]

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[ARMANI & ALINAH]

Before this thread, I had never heard of the Alpha Roll, but thought it may be an aggressive way of training. Honestly, I had to look it up.
The Alpha Roll and this particular situation are actually a learning subject for me at least and maybe others. So I've learned about it now with a great discussion and on this great forum!! It is a preference whether you like it or don't like it.
Also, I have to say, I know my ARMANI and ALINAH have emotions. I know when they need love just by their "love me" eyes...or food...or toys...or when they lead me outside in the backyard (like this morning at -2degrees)...they wanted me to play (but I turned into an Ice Sculpture) oops!!
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[Markie]

Before this thread, I had never heard of the Alpha Roll, but thought it may be an aggressive way of training. Honestly, I had to look it up.
The Alpha Roll and this particular situation are actually a learning subject for me at least and maybe others. So I've learned about it now with a great discussion and on this great forum!! It is a preference whether you like it or don't like it.
Also, I have to say, I know my ARMANI and ALINAH have emotions. I know when they need love just by their "love me" eyes...or food...or toys...or when they lead me outside in the backyard (like this morning at -2degrees)...they wanted me to play (but I turned into an Ice Sculpture) oops!!
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If I would've known it was going to be such a big hit I would've made it it's own thread didn't think that far ahead I guess lol [emoji23]
I would like to point out I'm some terrible horrible person honestly it doesn't effect them the way people think it does.
I know they have emotions but they don't think with them they are instinctive it's the way it is. It's reason in older times huskies could be set free during the summer months to defend for themselves and take care of their own. They are one breed that I know can be set free as a pack and be fine.


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[Rachael_Astro]

Do the same as Momma Angie down there. Take your self out and step into only instincts.
You are now Alpha of twelve wolf's/ huskies your only thinking about right now.
You have one that you have given a warning growl to that isn't listening what do you do??
Only instincts take out human emotions completely because huskies don't have that.
What do you do?? You now have four legs, no human emotions, and you've given a warning growl with the wolf/ husky not listening what next??

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1: A human growling will never be the same as a dog growling at another dog. 2: Trying to pretend to be a dog is just rediculas and will never work
3: Huskies are not wolves
4: Dogs do have emotions - fear, sadness, happiness etc. Have you ever seen a dog that's been beaten up? Fear. Have you ever seen a dog who's owner or dog buddy has died? Sadness. Have you ever seen a dog that's been tied up outside all its life be taken to a loving new home? Happiness. No dogs don't have all human emotions - jealously, hate, but they do have emotions and it's very nieve to say to say they don't

This topic has gone very off point, don't know how it's gone from an issue with 1 dog to a pack of 12 wolves


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[Markie]

1: A human growling will never be the same as a dog growling at another dog. 2: Trying to pretend to be a dog is just rediculas and will never work
3: Huskies are not wolves
4: Dogs do have emotions - fear, sadness, happiness etc. Have you ever seen a dog that's been beaten up? Fear. Have you ever seen a dog who's owner or dog buddy has died? Sadness. Have you ever seen a dog that's been tied up outside all its life be taken to a loving new home? Happiness. No dogs don't have all human emotions - jealously, hate, but they do have emotions and it's very nieve to say to say they don't

This topic has gone very off point, don't know how it's gone from an issue with 1 dog to a pack of 12 wolves


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It was
1.) Using your imagination
2.) I didn't saying anything about humans growling at the husky
3.) Their emotions don't over power their thinking
4.) I have witnessed the way a mother huskies deals with her puppies when they step out of line and it's not so pretty doesn't matter how positive you are to the dog.
5.) Isn't that we want to treat our dogs like children. Like a mother treats her puppies in the litter.
6.) No one said they where wolves.
7.) Huskies where let loose to life just as wolf are free in older time to take care of there own. They didn't slap them on the wrist when they got out of line.
8.) I didn't say they didn't have emotions but they don't think with them as we do.
9.) I don't say act like a dog it was for imagination but I'm sure if you got on all fours to play rough with Astro he would love it.
I'm done I don't believe this topic is worth the fight or loosing friends from people I adore on here [emoji45] so I'm done before I start burning bridges.


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[Emma]

Ok, points have been made.
Can we get back on track with offering the OP support and advice now please. Thanks [emoji1360]


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[ARMANI & ALINAH]

@MARKIE ~ Everything is fine. You have not lost friends on here or me. It actually was a good subject to bring up as you are a Certified Dog Trainer. Yes, everyone has their views on it. But I'm glad you talked about it!!
You have plenty of great advice/tips to offer on here.
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[Markie]

@MARKIE ~ Everything is fine. You have not lost friends on here or me. It actually was a good subject to bring up as you are a Certified Dog Trainer. Yes, everyone has their views on it. But I'm glad you talked about it!!
You have plenty of great advice/tips to offer on here.
You are fine.[emoji171][emoji252][emoji274]

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Thank you [emoji4][emoji178]

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[MilkyftTukere]

I would recommend getting a behaviourist in, I had one round from my local rescue and he was great


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I will look into that

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I agree with robke your advice could help other people I wouldn't pm it
Is this a new behaviour? Or has it been like this the whole time , how does your son react around him , I know four year olds can be fast , loud and excitable n that might be off putting for your sibe n telling your son he's uncomfortable, my girl isn't keen on loud young children

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No it is not new behaviour he was like this when we got him... my son is a very quiet boy and even through the go as Kenai growls at him

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Adding in from what I said, from experience in working at a rescue, I know previous owners can lie about their dogs behaviour just to get rid of them easier. The children might have been pulling his tail etc
Make sure your son doesn't try and stroke his head as not all dogs like this, because they can't see where the hand is. He can tickle his chest instead
Something has happened for him to behave like this, it wouldn't be for no reason. How old is the dog?


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Yup I agree that something has happen to him in the past he is 8years old

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Hi, I have one who is quite nervous around excitable young children and it puts him on edge. I would definitely recommend a behaviourist as they can teach you how to spot triggers and re-train undesirable behaviours.
Just wondering what your boy is like on walks around other children? If your boy is ok with your son when he’s sat on your knee it sounds as tho he prefers it when it’s a calmer atmosphere. Hope you get it sorted [emoji3]


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When we are doing our family walks he allows my son to pat him even hold him on his lead... every other kid he is fine with but it's just my son... When my son is on my knee he will let my son pat him but as soon as he gets to walk away he instantly growls

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It was 11:30pm when I thought of it and what I suggested is very controversial. I just was trying to avoid conflict it wasn't anything personal it just very controversial and I don't enjoy conflict at all.

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I will say it as long as everyone promised not to flip their lid lol [emoji23]

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Thank you for that I have tried it but he has still not changed towards my son

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flipping a gasket is depending what you are saying...

He wasn't saying anything that is harmful to the dog in way so every way more of a control tactic

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I could never hold a dog down on his back and hold his throat if a dog doesn't like a child.
Hurts my heart to think about.
I believe in POSITIVE reinforcement.

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P.S. That is no humane way for any dog to be treated.

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So what would u recommend

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You're right they aren't people - dogs are a lot more intelligent than people
Any 'training' which makes a dog submissive is just awful, putting fear in your dog to make them behave? Eventually they are just going to snap and make things 10 times worse.
A behaviourist will be able to read your body language, your child's body language, your dogs body language, piece it all together and tell you why it's happening, and what you and the child need to do to change things


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Why does my son have to change why can't the dog change

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You're right they aren't people - dogs are a lot more intelligent than people
Any 'training' which makes a dog submissive is just awful, putting fear in your dog to make them behave? Eventually they are just going to snap and make things 10 times worse.
A behaviourist will be able to read your body language, your child's body language, your dogs body language, piece it all together and tell you why it's happening, and what you and the child need to do to change things


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If u think they are more intelligent then humans

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[ARMANI & ALINAH]

I had suggested a Dog Behaviorist come to your house to assist as above. Good luck with your little one and your Husky.
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P.S. And positive reinforcement with assistance from a Dog Behaviorist.[emoji171]

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[chelseafan]

If u think they are more intelligent then humans

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A behaviourist will come to your home and watch your interaction and your sons interaction with your dog and will suggest ways of retraining with positive results, it will take time and effort but you will see the results.
Luka, one of mine, is fear aggressive, he would growl at other dogs on walks, he didn’t like kids on bikes, scooters, skateboards, children running past him, anything with quick movements so walking him became very difficult and not enjoyable. I tried a few things but with little progress so I booked to see a behaviourist, Emma watched him for an hour and at the end of the session I had a lot of homework to do and she gave me some insight as to why he was behaving the way he was which enabled me to understand him more. There has been a huge difference with Luka and he’s still progressing, he walks past other dogs without lunging at them, growls very rarely, he walks without dragging me anymore, he’s still nervous but I no longer feel he’s a potential threat to another dog. It’s worth every penny you spend, I paid £25 for an hourly session. Good luck [emoji3]


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