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Hi All,

I got Mowgli castrated around 6 months ago as my friends and family said it will calm him down etc. I read alot on the internet and on the Owners Club prior to him having the OP and it seemed to make sense and shut everyone up. 

Before getting Mowgli done he was a very happy dog and loved everyone and every dog. A couple of weeks after his op and to present day he is now  VERY aggressive towards EVERY male intact dogs. I am lucky that I have come to know most the regular dog walkers in my area and they are very tolerant of Mowgli when he tries to kill there dog and most are trying to help me overcome the issues.

The other night we met a couple of dogs which one was an intact male. We have seen these two dogs once before and Mowgli showed some slight aggression towards him but I held him back and all was good. This time I was not so lucky. Both the other dogs (off lead) ran up to Mowlgi to say hi, and at first he was fine. The male then went and smelt his bits and all hell broke loose. Mowgli grabbed the dog on his side and through him off. He then went and locked onto his neck and would not let go. It took all my strength to separate them and hurt both dogs at the same time. The owner done nothing and stayed back which is understandable. He was ok with me and his dog appeared fine. What do you do when this happens ?

Has anyone had this kind of issue and / or does anyone have any advice on how to work through this.

 

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The only real problem I see (is the other owner had his dogs OFF LEAD). So first, none of this is your fault at all. MOWGLI was just trying to protect himself while being restrained ON lead.
MOWGLI may be abit aggressive but that's ok.
He or you didn't do ANYTHING wrong in my eyes!! Maybe the owner of the other dogs will get bitten...they he would understand! But I wish no harm on anyone.
I'm really sorry this happened to you and MOWGLI. Praying everything is fine.
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P.S. It seems like you are doing great with MOWGLI!![emoji274][emoji171]

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Alpha gets aggressive when other, other then dogs he knows) start smelling his non-working parts..other then that, he still has his problem  when a dog around here is on heat...it is all or nothing then... 

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So one issue is the other dogs where not on lead with there handler. None of this is you [emoji4] Mowgli now being fixed doesn't know is place and intact male naturally knows where they fall in a Hiearchy but cut males especially after living with them for a while have to figure that out. You might have to watch him for a while but it should go down [emoji4][emoji4][emoji7] I don't want this to sound rude but don't do something because your being pressured into it. A saying that has helped me for years is "A wolf doesn't coware under the option of sheep" [emoji4] I get wanting people to shut up and he will be fine [emoji4] You have done nothing wrong just make sure you have a reason for what your doing [emoji4][emoji4]
I sure hope none of that sounded mean because I don't want it to [emoji51]

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It is good that you jumped in and took control of the situation. The other dogs should have been on lead and therefore would have been under control. That situation they put you in did not need to happen. It does sound like he is taking on the alpha roll and the snipping of his "bits" can be embarrassing to him. They handle that much better as a pup. Hopefully in time he will learn his new roll as an altered male and be happy again. My male is intact and he hates any person or animal going near his backside except me when I wash him and brush him. He let's me know he is not happy about it but accepts it because he knows I am the human alpha of my husky pack. 

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The two that I have had from puppies are both neutered, and I did not notice any aggression with them, however I am not aware if they have had any contact with unaltered males before.  Kodiak is my rescue, and he is also neutered, and he can be iffy with other dogs in general but I don't think that has anything to do with that.  However if a dog that was off lead came up to my back, I think I would have some problems. 

 

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my male dogs tend to keep all thier bits, I am now 50 so you can say 40 plus years of knowladge  about dogs over that time my family and myself have had a great number of dogs. Health wise the so called fixed dogs have always had issues with weight gain, random lumps and growths over the body and untreatable Prostate Cancers. The boys who kept thier bits may have grown the odd wart  but never had any of the other issues my last GSD male almost made it to 17 years of age. his dad was 15.

In fact there is a growing amount of research showing fixing the male dogs cuases more health issues than it prevents the same research is showinga  50 50 , 6 of one half a dozen of the other with bitches.

as to aggression that depends on the dog and huskies and malamutes are known for having same sex issues.

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my male dogs tend to keep all thier bits, I am now 50 so you can say 40 plus years of knowladge  about dogs over that time my family and myself have had a great number of dogs. Health wise the so called fixed dogs have always had issues with weight gain, random lumps and growths over the body and untreatable Prostate Cancers. The boys who kept thier bits may have grown the odd wart  but never had any of the other issues my last GSD male almost made it to 17 years of age. his dad was 15.
In fact there is a growing amount of research showing fixing the male dogs cuases more health issues than it prevents the same research is showinga  50 50 , 6 of one half a dozen of the other with bitches.
as to aggression that depends on the dog and huskies and malamutes are known for having same sex issues.

Very well stated!! [emoji4] None of my huskies are fixed they are all intact going strong with no health issues [emoji4][emoji4]

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None of mine are altered and have not had health issues. A lot has to do with the breeding. Mine don't have issues with same sex. They get along with anyone. My only problem is my male don't like anyone around his manhood. That is because he is used for breeding. A breeding male acts and behaves a little different than a non breeding male. That being said, every dog is different. They all have different personalities and they all have different genes running through them. So they will all behave in their own way and their health issues all depend on hereditary issues mixed with the diet and exercise they get. 

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I don't think this is related to neutering , my boy was neutered n he's so chill , he's protective but that's because my girl got attacked not because of his neutering , on his own he doesn't have to be protective n is fine with all dogs

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Ice was quite growly at other dogs due to fear. Neutering didn’t change that but as he’s grown up he has become more chilled out and less fearful. He generally seems to be happy to see other dogs but if they annoy him he won’t tolerate it.

I think you might just have to start back to basics of gradually reintroducing him to other dogs, both on lead and with the other dog being a calm one preferably. It might be a good idea to avoid the park for a while until he’s back to his usual self as you’ve got no control over interactions in that environment. Too many dopey dog owners around with out of control off lead dogs. [emoji849]

 

 

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How old is your dog? It sounds to me as though he’s still a youngster who needs to learn some manners. Dogs need to be socialised and trained, that takes time. It’s not helpful when other people have their dogs off lead but generally they tend to be dogs whose owners have found that they socialise well and so they don’t expect problems. Dogs on leads react very differently to other dogs, I think a lead makes them feel insecure and edgy, more so if they haven’t met them before. It’s unfortunate that your dog reacted in the way he did and the other dog was given a shock and reacted as a dog would, he snarled right back. If you think about it, how many strangers start fights with each other over almost nothing, a nudge, a spilt drink etc. I’d google for some tips to help you learn how to avoid this happening again, it’s frightening when it does and neither your or your dog need it.


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How old is your dog? It sounds to me as though he’s still a youngster who needs to learn some manners. Dogs need to be socialised and trained, that takes time. It’s not helpful when other people have their dogs off lead but generally they tend to be dogs whose owners have found that they socialise well and so they don’t expect problems. Dogs on leads react very differently to other dogs, I think a lead makes them feel insecure and edgy, more so if they haven’t met them before. It’s unfortunate that your dog reacted in the way he did and the other dog was given a shock and reacted as a dog would, he snarled right back. If you think about it, how many strangers start fights with each other over almost nothing, a nudge, a spilt drink etc. I’d google for some tips to help you learn how to avoid this happening again, it’s frightening when it does and neither your or your dog need it.

 

 

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Dogs aren't human if a dog gets jumped up on by two dogs on a lead it's going to defend itself. The dog has good manners it just isn't going to put up with crap from other dogs.

 

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My 2 are intact and with the many hours of research that I have done they will remain this way, that said, Luka has fear aggression and with behavioural training this has improved greatly, maybe Mowgli would benefit from the same. Off lead dog OWNERS and their selfish stupid attitude are the bane of what would be enjoyable dog walks for my 2. I personally don’t agree with off lead for any dog anywhere.
Some dogs don’t like other dogs sniffing around their bits, intact or not, I don’t think you should blame yourself for Mowgli’s reaction.
Dog pheromones are highly concentrated around their bits and behinds so a dog will sniff another dog in these 2 areas and in doing so a dog is able to gather info, such as age, gender and health but it shouldn’t last more than a couple of seconds, if it does it can lead to aggression.
Would the helpful dog walkers try parallel walking with you and mowgli, I say this as the behaviourist tried this exercise with Luka and myself and it really worked.
Hope you find a solution.


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Manners have NOTHING to do with this situation. Let's NOT blame MOWGLI Baby. MOWGLI very much "HAS GREAT MANNERS" and was doing AWESOME "ON-LEASH" with his owner DAN while they were having an enjoyable walk. (Then a man & 2 off lead dogs ruined it.)
If some human idiot comes up behind me & my Huskies with his 2 dogs OFF LEASH, I would want my 2 Huskies to bite the hell outta BOTH OFF lead dogs. And what really pisses me off even more in this situation, is the IDIOT owner just stood there (duh!) and did nothing!! Personally, I would have "wanted" to bust him for having his dogs off lead AND doing absolutely nothing... pretty PATHETIC!! (But I'm not that kind of girl to punch people LOL but it makes ya feel like it!)
MOWGLI sounds like he's doing great and for defending himself!! A little aggression is some times a good thing in these situations.
People who keep their dogs off lead all the time need to be locked up...and the key thrown away!!
Note: The KEY is OFF LEAD in this story.
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P.S. Situations like these cannot always be avoided.

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P.S.S. This same situation happened to me this summer. I told the owner of her 2 off leads dogs that ran across the street to my dogs, that if she didn't get her dogs, I was going to kick the hell outta them. But I didn't need to do that bcuz my Huskies did that FOR me.
The word of the day is *HELL*.
(Can we say that word on here?? The BRAVO channel says it all the time and that's TV!![emoji23])

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P.S.S.S. My Cherokee must be coming out tonight LOL!! I apologize if I offended anyone cussing.[emoji171]

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If ALL dogs are on leads in public places then situations, like Mowgli’s, and many others on here have had similar, could be avoided. Regardless of how well trained and socialised an off lead dog is their owner isn’t able to predict ALL situations. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had off lead dogs charging at my 2, the owner shouting at their dog to come back and the dog ignoring and then the owner telling me that her dog doesn’t usually act like that. Dog on dog situations can be avoided if dog owners act responsibly, dogs aren’t to blame it’s the owners.


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Dan, some tips from the behaviourist I saw, when walking Mowgli and a dog is walking towards you or behind you and/if Mowgli is uncomfortable, redirect his attention, sprinkle tiny treats on the ground nearby, this was ideal for Luka as he’s treat oriented. Behaviourist advised me not to standstill with Luka sitting until the dog has walked by as Luka would then have time to focus all of his attention on the other dog. Sprinkling worked 100%, and I progressed to walking past oncoming dog with a ball in my hand so Luka had another focus. It’s taken months for us to be able to walk past dogs without hackles raised and growling, consistency and praise is key. I’m not suggesting Mowgli has fear aggression but redirecting his focus may help, off lead situations are a nightmare for my 2, other than holding them tight to me and staying calm, trying to re-direct, it’s very difficult to have control of this. I suggested a behaviourist as I had minimal success with what I was doing and Emma (behaviourist) gave me invaluable info on dog behaviours, some common sense but having a better understanding of Luka’s issues has changed the way I train him.
Hope you find a solution that works for you both.

P.S. Off-lead dogs are a touchy subject for me and the suggestion that Mowgli has bad manners and he’s unsociable irritated me as that particular owner enabled that incident.


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@ANGIE - Every post you make is positive and kind. (and sometimes a little feisty :=) ) Thank you 

@chelseafan = Thank you for all your advice. I have an appointment today with a behaviourist. I thought it was time to get professional help. I am sure they will recommend the things you have. I totally agree with you when it comes to off lead dogs. I dont think everyone understands the problems they can cause.

Thank you everyone for their comments, advice and thoughts. In hindsight I wish I never got Mowgli done and didn't give into the pressure of others. What is done is done and I will work thought the issues. I also agree with the members which say all dogs should be on lead in public places. I know this will never happen in the UK. 

Something which I forgot to mention is before I got Mowgli he was the father to 2 litters of puppies so maybe this is something to do with it.

I didn't get Mowgli fixed for health reasons. I done a huge amount or researched and found similar information. It is 50/50 in regards to health from what I found.

Mowgli is well socialised with other dogs. I think my problem got slightly lost in the discussion. It is only males dogs which are intact. 99% of every other dog he is fine with. Even if they run flat out towards him. Fingers crossed that the behaviourist can give me some advice and training to help overcome this. Ill keep everyone posted.

 

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Great news, it’s a very positive step forward for you and Mowgli, hope it goes well today.
Seeing a behaviourist with Luka enabled me to understand his issues and how to deal with them effectively and to tailor training him in a positive way, he made great progress, it’s ongoing but to be able to walk past other dogs without growling and hackles raised is the outcome I wanted for him.
Good luck [emoji6]


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Good luck@DanUK!! I think MOWGLI is wonderful!! (Sorry I get kinda fired up and feisty some times LOL!!) I just have great passion for what I believe in, especially, with all these gorgeous beautiful Huskies on here and you great Husky Owners!!)
[emoji274]*THE SUN ALWAYS SHINES!!*[emoji274]

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You will do great! And Mowgli is in great hands with you. 👍 You really took charge for him when he needed you and I'm sure you will get through this together. 🤗Everything in me was screaming he must have been a stud at one point but I didn't want to pry. He just sounds so much like my Diego. Except Diego does not attack. He knows better around me. You will get to that point as well with Mowgli. @chelseafan gave a lot of great advise. Good luck with Mowgli and his new adventure in training with the behaviorists advice 💕🐕

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Isn’t a behaviourist a trainer with just a different name?


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No a behaviourist is a person who evaluates the circumstances around the dog. Attention, attitude, living, and the mind set of the owner and also gives back emotional information on a dog. A trainer is given a circumstance looks at the dog and owner tells them the correct way of teaching does not involve the living circumstances around the animal. Example I train dogs I'm not a behaviourist. I get the dog train it to a desired way then give it back to owner. Behaviourist make the owner do the work not them [emoji4]

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Isn’t a behaviourist a trainer with just a different name?


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No a behaviourist is a person who evaluates the circumstances around the dog. Attention, attitude, living, and the mind set of the owner and also gives back emotional information on a dog. A trainer is given a circumstance looks at the dog and owner tells them the correct way of teaching does not involve the living circumstances around the animal. Example I train dogs I'm not a behaviourist. I get the dog train it to a desired way then give it back to owner. Behaviourist make the owner do the work not them [emoji4]

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