Possibly Blind Husky Puppy? HELP & ADVICE NEEDED IF POSSIBLE...

[s200rey]

Howdy,

Where do I start...

I was looking for a pup, preferably a Siberian Husky/Malamute/Akita type...I came across an advert on Gumtree, for Akita x Siberian Husky - 8 week old pups, for sale locally, so went up to check them out on Monday night.

I turned up, to find the house they were living in was a total tip (however the dogs, older ones, looked in good state and were very friendly, there was several) and then there were the Pups. I've been brought up around big dogs, and had dogs in the family and friends families since as long as I can remember, but breeding - is something i'm not too familiar with (Im 23) anyway the pups were covered in crap / mud from head to toe, and on arrival it was clear this lady (who posted the advert and put her no. on the site, was a go between, middle-man so to speak) any way, after spending 10minutes in the smelly house (quite stupidly, upon reflection) I felt so sorry for the pups, apparently they hadn't taken to there mum, so had been on dried food for some time, and I just felt pity for them. The mam, and the Dad looked fine examples (However there was no Akita's to be seen anywhere) ...anyway, my heart got the better of me, and I took away one of the girls, and was 'at this time' over the MOON!...

Anyway, yesterday was Wednesday and it was becoming clear something was wrong with my Pup, Bowe. She seems shakey, and pretty un steady on her feet. Anyway, as any responsible owner would, I was straight on to the Vets and took her in that night after finishing work. It became quite clear (to more experienced eyes) the chances of her being 8 weeks, were slim (due to weight and size) things however were about to GET WORSE for me & Bowe! ...Turns out she's blind! Temp/or Totally, depending on age possibly? but its not a good start for the poor girl.

Trying to make a long story short here, I got straight on to the person responsible for the advert etc. within minutes of leaving the vets. I rang and basically told them what i've wrote above, and these were her words "errr, errmmm, right, ring back in 10minutes, ok?" ....so I did. No Answer. And again. No Answer. Then Answerphone! by now, without swearing, I WAS FUMING! So I sent some messages (lol) basically stating, I want to talk to the 'owner/breeder' of these pups and sort something out, then when I received NO REPLY I stepped it up a notch by basically stating I was going to drive through there to the house I got them from, and who ever was there was going to HAVE TO deal with me. NO REPLY. So I picked a mate up, and off we went. (9.00pm last night) got there, and there was nobody in...so I rang the number off the advert, and to my shock she answered! so I quickly explained I was outside the house, and that I wanted to talk to the owner/breeder of the dogs, and that I didn't want a war. So off she went to call him & get him to meet me at his house (he was genuinely out) and he did...so I explained my situation to him, and he offered me the following resolutions:

* Return the Puppy & get my money back.

* Swap the Pup for another, but he only had 2 boys left.

* Bear with my Pup as he said he's 'seen it' before and its quite common.

To me, none of these were the answer, firstly my pup has been introduced to my 2 daughters & fiancee and they love her to bits already. Secondly, I didn't really want a boy, I wanted a girl. Thirdly, I dont know If I can trust his "OPINION" on her getting better, however, with another 10mins of chatting with the bloke some OTHER things emerged.

* The Pups are only 5 weeks old, as of TODAY! 12th July 2012.

* The Pups are Siberian Husky (Full Breed) X Arctic Wolf (??????)

* He said he would bet me my money back, that the Pup would gain its eyesight, within the next 2 - 6 weeks.

* He said he'd bred these types of dogs for the last 7, 8 years.

* Before that he'd bred show winning German Shepherds, showed me pictures, with him in them etc. So I was buying 'abit' of what he was telling me.

SO, Thats my situation as of this morning. At home I have what seems at the minute to be a 'just gone' 5 week old Puppy, with 98-100% Blindness at the moment (after undergoing a few tests at the vets) And this idiot who obviously is happy selling 4-5week old pups with problems like mine has, offering me the choices above. Personally, I dont want my Pup going back anywhere near him or that house, I just dont know how much merit there is in waiting to see how she copes over these next 2-3 weeks, and see if her situation improves? I feel morally responsible for this pup now, and I dont want to write her off just yet especially if she's only 5 weeks old today.

HELP, ADVICE & OPINIONS will be much appreciated.

Any body with experience of the breed would be great, I THINK she might just be a Siberian Husky and have no 'Arctic Wolf' in her, but I could be totally wrong, as the Dad (who was the 'pack leader' & 'arctic wolf') did look just the same as some of the ones that come up after a quick google images search. I'm in the North East of England, and would welcome an experience breeder or someone with a lot more knowledge & expertise than I have, to pop round for a cup of tea/coffee and have a look at her? After a phone call to the Vets an hour ago, to inform her of my recent 'discoveries' she has told me, he could 'possibly' be speaking some truth, and with her not being 7-8 weeks old, and only 5 to give her some time to improve, as she hasn't by any means had the best start in life. So my minds made up to short term, to keep on looking after her, and see how things go in these next few weeks before she goes back to the vets.

Again, HELP, ADVICE & OPINIONS will be much appreciated!

Thanks man,

Mark & Bowe.

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[jmscott]

I'm afraid that this is the exactly what a backyard breeder does. If the pups were registered under the AKC or UKC you would be able to report them to the club. If you think they are hybrids (wolf crosses), you can try going to the Department of Wildlife or equivalent thereof and report them there. In most places you can keep wolves or wolf hybrids under a very strict permit, and you may be able to have it revoked (you may need to aquire one for yourself as well). If they are poorly bred wolf hybrids, then you may have to deal with aggression in the future, hybrids do not always make good pets. If they are truly akita mixes, then you should definitely look out for aggression. Akitas are a wonderful breed but they have very sharp temperaments so need lots of socialization.

I don't know about over there, but in some US states there are laws against puppies being sold under 8 weeks of age.

As for the blindness, this is probably the result of bad breeding ethics. It is a terrible thing to have to witness the scum of bad breeding and then decide what to do for the puppy they produced.

[Stranger]

Agree with fox, report this to the RSPCA, as those conditions are mental.

i dont know anything about these sort of things so probably not much help, but i would see if you could get some money back, as i have never heard of a blind pup getting its whole sight back. i personally wouldnt want my girl to end upback with a total ignorant **** like him.

blind dogs can be extremely rewarding but they are harder work, and at that age, i am sure they should be on a special diet. normally you dont pick a pup up till it is 8 weeks old minium, so this little girl is missing out on alot of socialisation with her brothers and sisters, this is not to say though that it will cuase any problems, it just means that when she is old enough to meet and great new dogs, she may be a little shyer and less understanding of body language. again not a problem because she is still young enough to learn quickly.

we are all here to give you as much advice as you need, and help you make the right decision for yourself and her, by the way whats she called?

[PnkFlyd204]

I am very sorry to hear about your situation. Unfortunately, I too, do not have any experience with blind dogs. I would most definitely report these "breeders" though. It's in the best interest for all of the animals they have.

Situations like this really fire me up. Ugh.

[s200rey]

Hi Fox Tink & Eponine, I have informed the RSPCA, and 'Gumtree' where the dog was Advertised. I did that Tuesday, before the first visit to the vets & before going back up their last night...thats 'how bad' I thought the conditions/situation is.

I'm really annoyed, at myself & at the breeder (if you can call him that!) I should have just walked away, but my heart said "take one and give it a good life"...and at 23 year old, my heart got the better of me!...i'm really, really hoping that its down to malnutrition / poor hygiene / bad start in life, rather than just been 100% blind! Me, My Fiancee and my 2 Daughters have got our fingers & toes crossed for her, and were hoping we are doing all we can for her in the mean time.

I'm keeping Bowe, theres no way I'm returning her to that moron, and taking another, or getting my money back, I paid & took her on Monday, she's my responsibility and i'm going to do everything within my power to get her tip-top, if its possible. I've called my Vet back up today, and updated her with what I now know. Her Age, Her Breed etc. An she did say to give her a chance, if they originally lied about her being 7 weeks old and now he's saying she's 5 weeks old as of today, he could still be lie'ing and she could be 4weeks + from her weight according to the Vet - 2lbs1? (For anybody in the know?) my Vet did say she's not got a great deal of experience with Husky/Wolf type breeds, BUT her knowledge in general is excellent and she's been a Vet for a long time! I know this because friends & family use the same lady who's currently @ Vets4Pets.

She's told me to keep my eye on her, keep her fed and watered, and if I'm un easy with any progress or if she gets worse, to just give her a call at work, as this doesn't involve £££, where as if I turn up with her, they have to charge me. Which dont get me wrong I dont mind paying, but just to ask questions i'll call for now. Obv if needs be tho she will be in my car and down there in a shot.

She's got worms, my missus has called me at work an hour ago...Vet thought she probably hadn't been wormed even though they originally told me she had been, so I started the worming treatment last night and that goes on for the next 3 days?...

Other than that, like I said, i'd just like some help & advice of people 'in the know' regarding this breed etc, as I said earlier I think the guy was a fruit cake (he thought he was the wolf man) ...So I believe she's a Siberian Husky, with no Arctic Wolf in her what so ever (BUT I could be wrong tho?)

I'm happy to take her to somebody, or have somebody round for a tea and a chat about her, in these next few weeks until she goes back to the Vets at 8weeks.

And help & advice MUCH APPRECIATED!

Thanks,

Mark & Bowe.

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Most of my comments have already been made. Contact the RSPCA, his idiot should not be breeding! If the advert mentions the "wolf" mix and you have to have a permit to have a wolf breed contact the appropriate authorities.

In agreement that it was much too early for him to be selling the pups - there are a lot of good people here who can help with what you as the surrogate parent need to do to get a healthy, well socialized dog out of the deal.

Now ... as for the blindness. Blind animals may present a special challenge, but they can well be worth the effort. Since vision isn't a dogs primary sense ( smell then hearing, I think, would outweigh vision ) he's not going to be as upset as a human would be at not being able to see. I'd have the same considerations for the pup as for a human, don't rearrange the furniture without giving hm a "tour" so he can see the new arrangement - and still expect him to walk into things that weren't there because he "forgot".

You can probably forget playing fetch ( but you can probably forget that with a Husky anyway! ) but contact play and tug-of-war can be a lot of fun too.

Obviously when you're training him you're going to have to spend time teaching him the "clues" that he would normally see but in time you'll find he'll probably get around nearly as a sighted dog.

Thanks, btw, for not giving up on her (( just realized I've been using the wrong gender, sorry )); keep in contact with your vet especially for these first few weeks and make sure she's developing as she should and I wish you a lot of joy and the best of a happy future!

[Stranger]

regarding licences

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/dangerous-wild-animals/hybrids-domestic-animals/

also found this

http://www.blinddogs.com/puppy.htm

Edited July 12, 2012 by Stranger
extra info added

[Stranger]

@s200rey where abouts do you live, we have regular dog meets on here, so would more than welcome you to join us when she is all vacinatted

Edited July 12, 2012 by Stranger
my spelling is sooo bad :facepalm:

[Austinville]

The bottom line, as I see it, is you'll have little or no recourse except for turning the breeder in. Whether or not your pup is registered and if it is, with which organization you would make the report to would be determined by that registration.

If unregistered, or if a mix, I suppose you could report to the RSPCA.

If a 'wolf mix' - you could be asking for loads of problems in getting permits, etc. And as others have already stated, if mixed with an Akita, a whole string of other problems could be on their way.

In any case, it's up to you to decide whether you will keep the pup or not. I've no experience in purchasing and the legalities therein, other than the pup I purchased two years ago (with NO problems, thank goodness).

The question you must answer at this point is whether you should keep the pup or not. With no personal experience in this, I'm strictly answering from my gut. I wouldn't want to give the pup back, knowing the situation it comes from. BUT THAT IS JUST ME!

As you know the blindness now, and you appear to be somewhat attached already, the best advice I can give is to find groups that can help you raise this pup to be well adjusted, sight or no sight. Knowing that you may have some of the Akita attitude in the gene pool, can provide you with a way to work both around and with this tendency. Socialization and not feeling pity for a 'poor blind dog' can go a long way.

For example, my husky's sire was an extremely shy husky. Because I knew this, I've gone out of my way to socialize her in any and every situation that I possibly could. She goes everywhere with me, she meets the elderly at care centers, the young at day care facilities, goes to work with me at least once a week to meet everyone from children on bikes to elderly with canes and walkers. She goes to parades and has learned to deal with sirens, horses, countless groups of children. She's met people on skateboards, those running, babies crawling, pushy children who pull her ears, children who are terrified of big dogs. She's 'met' horses, llamas, little grouchy dogs, big slobbery dogs, and so on and so forth.

She'll be two on Monday and there isn't any situation that I fear her 'shy' gene will be a problem.

What I'm getting at is if you decide to keep the pup, begin training as you wish to see the end. Blind pups, shy pups, pups with agression issues, can all live normal lives but as an owner, you are responsible for that life and need to work constantly and diligently to make that life the best that you possibly can. If you don't focus on the 'problem' the canine won't.

We have several people on the forum who have and continue to work with their huskies on various issues, [MENTION=44]siberian_wolf[/MENTION] has been working with her Giz since I met her. She's beginning to reap the benefits after four long years of work. Dealing with any issue is difficult but tenacious training and love will get you the pup you long for.

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regarding licences

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/dangerous-wild-animals/hybrids-domestic-animals/

also found this

Tips for Blind Puppies

That second site is particularly inspiring! Great find!

[s200rey]

Thanks for the above posts! ^^^

Few Pictures of Bowe, last night after she returned from the Vets... enough to make most peoples heart melt!? what a cutie she is!!

First & Foremost, I've reported the Bastard to the RSPCA, I did that yesterday before I even took her to the Vets, and got the Diagnosis! thats how strongly a felt about what he was doing been wrong, obviously up until last night I thought my Pup was fine, bar been a bit shakey and nervous. Obviously turns out she's only 5 weeks old bless her! I nearly gave the fella' a slap - if it wasn't for 7 BIG dogs staring at me, I probably would have done! He seemed to of lost the care - that he might have once had - and it had turned into being all about the £££. SICK!

Me, My 2 Daughters and the Misses want to see her through these next 3 weeks before she goes into the Vets @ 8 weeks for her inoculations, sod giving her back to that cruel moron, I dont think I can bare returning to the house again with out doing anything silly! After updating the Vet today about her only being 5 weeks possibly even 4, she did say her condition could possibly improve? (I HOPE!) as its still early to tell, but the cotton ball test, and the reflex test when approaching her eyes failed miserable last night at the Vets as if she was blind as a bat bless her! however, she's living in MUCH BETTER conditions now, apart from not being with whats left of her siblings and her parents, uncles, aunties etc. Is there anything I can be doing Food or Fluids wise? to help her situation? or does any body know about early stage blindness? or temporary blindness? this so called 'breeder' did say he's seen it before, and one of his 18month old dogs, had a bout of it when it was a Pup but is fine now (doesn't instill much confidence I know!) but I wonder if there is any truth in it? (again I HOPE!) for Bowes sake ALSO I dont believe its got any Arctic Wolf in it, I believe its Siberian Husky x possibly with another similar breed, but it ain't got any Arctic Wolf in it, the guy was just mad as a hatter!

I'm happy taking her to see some one 'in the know' with this breed/similar breeds, to give me there opinion etc. I'm equally happy, sticking the kettle on and having somebody come round to see her, and offer there advice/knowledge. In the meantime (next 3 weeks) before she returns to the Vets. Otherwise, over the Forums will do, dont get me wrong...Im based in the North East of England (UK)

She definitely has Worms (and till last night hadn't been wormed) she's has worms in her poo again today, according to the misses, but she's on her second day of worming treatment (2ml, every day for 3 days, in her mouth or food) so hopefully that will clear them up.....

Other than that guys & gals, all I can do, is prey (not even religious!) & hope for her condition to improve and hopefully her eye sight to pick up now she's being fed, and hopefully gaining weight etc.

1 glimmer of hope I had last night, is I did a 'light test' with my LED mini maglite, in both her eyes, and in the dark, switching the light from on, too off, to on, too off again I was getting a little response, very minor, but a definite slight squint! which kind of cheered me up, but if the light is left on, you can shine it into her eyes for a period of seconds and she doesn't blink or anything, just seems to stare into it BUT under on/off on/off conditions there is a little reaction, SO HOPEFULLY, she might have been extremely malnourished (Mam apparently didn't take to them after the first week) and she could get better? again I might be hoping to much, but hey, got to stay positive, its early days for the poor pooch.

Any More Help & Advice MUCH APPRECIATED!

Mark & Bowe.

[Povodny]

Yes I think a call to the RSPCA is in order. That then is as much as you can do for any remaining pups there.

If I'm reading this correctly. You say you want to hang on to her in the short term because you don't want to hand her back to the breeder and her sight may improve? And then what if it doesn't? As you've already mentioned, quite understandably you and your family are already forming attachments.

I think you have a decision to make. And not an easy one. The money you've paid aside you have to choose either to keep her and take on a the extra costs that could entail as she's not insurable for what she's already been treated for. Or you cut your loses and hand her over to someone else. There are any number of places who may take her. So the big question is, can you afford some expensive vet bills now if they were to occur? And are you willing to pay them?

Im sorry if I sound hard. I really feel for your situation but ultimately that's all you can do. Either offer her a permanent home regardless of what may ail her or give her up and find another puppy from a more reputable breeder. Or.. Look at a rescue puppy

I wish you the best of luck. And no one would blame you or think badly of you for not taking on what could potentially be a very expensive dog.

[s200rey]

Thanks for the Replies above ^^^

Took a few pictures when we got back from the Vets last night...

I'll reply to the above & add more info in a separate post

[Storm Angel n Auroras Mum]

oh dear what a horrible situation to be in.

Im afraid you should really have gone to a proper breeder, this is a typical BYB.

But now you have the pup, so now what needs to be done is whats best for the pup.

[s200rey]

Sorry for the double post. Didn't realise the Mods had to approve before it goes live so I posted again.

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Sorry for the double post. Didn't realise the Mods had to approve before it goes live so I posted again.

That's only for a couple of more messages, I think they stop at 10 or so, then you post mostly anytime / thing.

Awe, those pictures of her are really cute. You do know that you're going to be "stuck" here real shortly, don't you? It wouldn't take much of seeing that wandering around and there's no way I could give her up!

What's the vet say about her general heath - other than she may not see too well and been taken away from momma way too soon, is she otherwise in good health? << Hoping for a positive answer!! >>

[BingBlaze n Skyla]

shes so cute , sorry to hear of your situation , i dont have any advice tho but some1 should be able 2 help

[Alex T]

She's a gorgeous looking pup - but I can't add anything else to this conversation that hasnt already been stated!

[lebe03]

Sorry to hear of Bowe's problems and hope that her sight improves over the coming weeks. As regards the breeder I would also report them to the local council as unless he owns his own home he could be in breach of the conditions of his tenancy by running a business from his home. The DWP and tax man may also be interested to hear of the business he's running

[Sarah]

Sorry to hear of Bowe's problems and hope that her sight improves over the coming weeks. As regards the breeder I would also report them to the local council as unless he owns his own home he could be in breach of the conditions of his tenancy by running a business from his home. The DWP and tax man may also be interested to hear of the business he's running

Deffo agree with the above - i'm sickened and disgusted by this moron!

I think if you take her on you're going to have to do a lot of research, i'd suggest socialising her as much as you possible can - this can start now. If you go to the park, carry her, let her smell and hear things, obv she's not had her vaccines so she can't go on the floor but every experience will be good for her.

She could suffer more from separation anxiety more than other dogs - this site has some good info on for you Blind Dog Tips

It's a case of wait and see - if her eyesight doesn't improve very soon i'd say she will be blind or partially sighted for life. Do you know if the parents had any hip or eye tests done? I'm guessing not but worth asking anyway

I hope things improve for her poor girl

Please keep us posted as to how you get on and feel free to ask anything x

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Sorry to hear of Bowe's problems and hope that her sight improves over the coming weeks. As regards the breeder I would also report them to the local council as unless he owns his own home he could be in breach of the conditions of his tenancy by running a business from his home. The DWP and tax man may also be interested to hear of the business he's running

[MENTION=2533]lebe03[/MENTION] you're downright mean, remind me not to get on the wrong side of you! But I also completly agree, anything that can be done to put this guy out of the "breeding" business is fair game!

[Marc]

Not much I can add to the advice that has already been given tbh. I dont know very much about blindness in dogs myself. I've only really posted to this to say after all that she has been through so far it sounds like at least one thing went right and she ended up with you. Stick around you will learn a lot on here

[Stranger]

Thanks for the above posts! ^^^

Few Pictures of Bowe, last night after she returned from the Vets... enough to make most peoples heart melt!? what a cutie she is!!

First & Foremost, I've reported the Bastard to the RSPCA, I did that yesterday before I even took her to the Vets, and got the Diagnosis! thats how strongly a felt about what he was doing been wrong, obviously up until last night I thought my Pup was fine, bar been a bit shakey and nervous. Obviously turns out she's only 5 weeks old bless her! I nearly gave the fella' a slap - if it wasn't for 7 BIG dogs staring at me, I probably would have done! He seemed to of lost the care - that he might have once had - and it had turned into being all about the £££. SICK!

Me, My 2 Daughters and the Misses want to see her through these next 3 weeks before she goes into the Vets @ 8 weeks for her inoculations, sod giving her back to that cruel moron, I dont think I can bare returning to the house again with out doing anything silly! After updating the Vet today about her only being 5 weeks possibly even 4, she did say her condition could possibly improve? (I HOPE!) as its still early to tell, but the cotton ball test, and the reflex test when approaching her eyes failed miserable last night at the Vets as if she was blind as a bat bless her! however, she's living in MUCH BETTER conditions now, apart from not being with whats left of her siblings and her parents, uncles, aunties etc. Is there anything I can be doing Food or Fluids wise? to help her situation? or does any body know about early stage blindness? or temporary blindness? this so called 'breeder' did say he's seen it before, and one of his 18month old dogs, had a bout of it when it was a Pup but is fine now (doesn't instill much confidence I know!) but I wonder if there is any truth in it? (again I HOPE!) for Bowes sake ALSO I dont believe its got any Arctic Wolf in it, I believe its Siberian Husky x possibly with another similar breed, but it ain't got any Arctic Wolf in it, the guy was just mad as a hatter!

I'm happy taking her to see some one 'in the know' with this breed/similar breeds, to give me there opinion etc. I'm equally happy, sticking the kettle on and having somebody come round to see her, and offer there advice/knowledge. In the meantime (next 3 weeks) before she returns to the Vets. Otherwise, over the Forums will do, dont get me wrong...Im based in the North East of England (UK)

She definitely has Worms (and till last night hadn't been wormed) she's has worms in her poo again today, according to the misses, but she's on her second day of worming treatment (2ml, every day for 3 days, in her mouth or food) so hopefully that will clear them up.....

Other than that guys & gals, all I can do, is prey (not even religious!) & hope for her condition to improve and hopefully her eye sight to pick up now she's being fed, and hopefully gaining weight etc.

1 glimmer of hope I had last night, is I did a 'light test' with my LED mini maglite, in both her eyes, and in the dark, switching the light from on, too off, to on, too off again I was getting a little response, very minor, but a definite slight squint! which kind of cheered me up, but if the light is left on, you can shine it into her eyes for a period of seconds and she doesn't blink or anything, just seems to stare into it BUT under on/off on/off conditions there is a little reaction, SO HOPEFULLY, she might have been extremely malnourished (Mam apparently didn't take to them after the first week) and she could get better? again I might be hoping to much, but hey, got to stay positive, its early days for the poor pooch.

Any More Help & Advice MUCH APPRECIATED!

Mark & Bowe.

well aint she cute....she'll be old enough to come to camp in october, which will be great lol

even if you dont keep her, for now you have done the right thing and removed her from that god horrible place. well done to you mate...i raise my pint to you x

[Povodny]

She looks very similar to Loki ( ears size build) when we saw him at 4 weeks. You've yet to see what eye colour she ends up with she is adorable. I know when we went for Loki we ended up with his sister as well. It's very hard not to take them all