Wizadora Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 been said so many times, why risk your dog that you claim to love, why risk his life because you think it would be cool to see him running free? i can't for the life of me think why ANY dog is allowed free offlead time, as manymany of them are not trained well enough with recall, let alone a breed that every knowledgable person will tell you not to let off lead unless you want a dead dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmberScheuer Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Well, Ill let you know when he doesnt "recall." Till then he very much enjoys his days at the beach where he has the freedom to dive into the waves and not bring my pregnant self down with him! LOL. He is such a character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasodaisy Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I certainly don't feel like a miracle maker, I'm not about to fight 10,000 years of instinct. Perhaps that makes me a coward? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raindog Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I've read the book and seen several articles about the guy. First of all, it is incredibly doubtful whether his "wolf" actually has any wolf in it. It looks like a purebred malamute to me. Reading between the lines of the book, it seemed like a poorly socialised and badly trained Malamute at that. I think the "philosopher" (or "poser" as I would call him) let his romanticism get the better of him and let the dog get away with any behaviour - a kind of canine "noble savage" - which is a ridiculously dangerous thing to do with a big dog like a Malamute. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Angel n Auroras Mum Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I certainly don't feel like a miracle maker, I'm not about to fight 10,000 years of instinct. Perhaps that makes me a coward? I think not. then it makes a lot of us cowards, but with alive dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlythisgirl Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 No offence, but I don't understand why the OP needs to keep making threads about having dogs off lead. There are always going to be people that feel they can have their dog off lead and that's their business. But trying to persuade people(and people new to the breed!) to have their dogs off lead too is irresponsible in my opinion, especially when there is so much evidence that shows that the majority of huskies can't/shouldn't be trusted when off lead. There is so much knowledge and experience on this forum, and dismissing it just seems silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasodaisy Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 then it makes a lot of us cowards, but with alive dogs Not cowards, just people with a healthy respect for mother nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mydiamond Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 This is a very controversial topics with lots of pros and cons =\ some people managed to train their husky to walk off-lead, some don't. It really depends on the dogs. I'm glad to hear that you will never let Grimm off-lead in places where you don't feel comfortable, and that you also informed us all how u can read his body language, but I believe that you should not let other people who was relatively new to the breed train their husky off-lead like how you train Grimm. Why? Because--as I said--it REALLY depends on the dog. What if something gone wrong? =\ We don't need another tragedy involving huskies, we have had enough. It's good to know that Grimm has an amazing recall, but you must have known that not all huskies are like him and therefore I don't agree with this person who enforces people to let their huskies off-lead =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmberScheuer Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Oh no I never said I would advise people in doing so with their huskies, I was even sent a private message on it- asking how I did it- I told them how but I also told them I STRONGLY reccomend using a 100ft-200ft training leash or doing it within an enclosed area! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenwolf Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 i have wrote about letting huskys off the lead before and have had alot off shit from it. i am reading a book at the minit about a philosopher who owed a wolf and the book is about him bringin up and living with this wolf i have olny read a little at the moment but i am glued to it , he traines is wolf on and of the lead within 15 minits and belives it is and i quote, "people including people who owned wolfs told me that it was impossible to train wolf to walk on leash , those sort of people who kept there wolfs , wolf-dog or dogs loked up in a run in the back garden , and that i belive is a criminal act for wich a custodial sentence would be apropiate .it actually took no more than two minits to get brenin to walk on leash . outher people told me it was impossible to train a wolf to walk heel . that took a further 10 minits .once we masterd the basics of that teaching brenin to walk of leash was suprisingly easy " i could go on as there is alot about people beliveng it is impossible to do this and that but i wont lol the book is called the philosopher and the wolf and is a life changin book to those who hold there huskys as they are the closest things to wolfs , de0ar to them i fully recomend it . Tommy, this thread is essentially beating a dead horse. If you want to read up on members' views on huskies off-leash or join the debate, there is already a well-established thread for it here: http://www.husky-owners.com/forum/threads/huskies-off-lead.27263/ So addressing your book - I've never read it, but there are several flaws with your quote (other than spelling and grammar ) . One: for "other people" to say it's impossible to train a wolf or wolf-hybrid to heel would imply these people have knowledge about handling wolves, which they likely don't. To say that your average wild wolf could be trained in 15 minutes to walk quietly on a lead is laughable, but there are those with the right personalities who are ambassadors for their species. On leads, they are brought into schools and seminars to educate people about wolves (and usually about how they do NOT make good pets). There is a place in Golden, British Columbia that houses a pack of wolves, and most of them are brought out to run free when they go for walks in the mountains - but again, there is a training process and unique circumstances afoot here, and it does not include a Unique and Special Bond Heretofore Undiscovered by Manâ„¢. Two: If the photos of Brenin are anything to go by, there's no way he's a pure wolf. He looks like a hybrid, to be sure, but he's definitely not a pure wolf, and that does make a difference. While the domestic instincts of a dog and the wild instincts of a wolf constantly war with each other in such an animal, parts of their personality are usually dominated by one or the other. Some hybrids act more like dogs, while others act very much like untamed wolves. Three: For a guy to train one wolf/dog and have it come back to him and suddenly think that he's a masterful trainer and all dogs can be so reliable off leash if you'd only just be their friend not their master is not only absurd, but ignorant and dangerous. If everyone who lucked out and got an obedient dog their first run out decided it was them, and they were a stellar trainer who could to that with any dog, there'd be a much bigger section in the phone book for dog trainers - though in reality there's just a lot of people in for a crushing reality check! But to hold this guy up as an example and say "see! It can be done! Anything is possible!" is, at the very least, delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed #2 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Could staff close this now....while I'm enticed daily to read what everyone has to say, I'm being persuaded to say something that could get me banned. Help me help myself and close this thread , PLEASE??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elyse Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Could staff close this now....while I'm enticed daily to read what everyone has to say, I'm being persuaded to say something that could get me banned. Help me help myself and close this thread , PLEASE??? I agree. Like Raven said...we're beating a dead horse here. BlueWolf Dunc Marc Sarah Mazz There should be a tag where you can tag all moderators/admins...that would be handy. I seem to always forget a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I agree there should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robke Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 so do I beating a dead horse here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosemary Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I agree. Like Raven said...we're beating a dead horse here. BlueWolf Dunc Marc Sarah Mazz There should be a tag where you can tag all moderators/admins...that would be handy. I seem to always forget a bunch. There is a report button on each post ........ Could staff close this now....while I'm enticed daily to read what everyone has to say, I'm being persuaded to say something that could get me banned. Help me help myself and close this thread , PLEASE??? I couldn't agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenwolf Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Ooh, before this thread gets closed though, this is interesting! I found an excerpt from the book online. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3563015/The-philosopher-and-the-wolf.html He talks about Brening being 96% wolf - the largest amount of hybrid that is "legal" in the US, apparently. And the "breeder" assures him that he only wrote that for legal reasons - Brenin was actually 100% wolf. Does this look like a wolf to anyone? You can see the wolfish traits in the long legs and the hindquarters/tail at least, but the broad chest, wide head and distinctive mask all suggest malamute. To call Brenin 50/50 would be generous, I think, and it speaks tot he author's ignorance that he jusst took the breeder at his word that this was a pure wolf. The "breeder" is also one sketchy dude in that he lets the pups go at 6 weeks. By Rowlands' own words Brenin is literally pulled from his mother's teat and brought home - and he wonders why the pup refuses anything to eat for days on end... He also equates typical husky/malamute/puppy-in-general destructive behaviour and miniscule attention spans to Brenin being a "wolf." And all that just from the excerpt! So in summary, this is not a person whose word I would heed, respect, or even take seriously. It may be an entertaining read and personal anecdote, the that's the most anyone should seriously take out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmberScheuer Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Well, isnt everyone entitled to their own opinion? It should be up to an owner- new or not- what they ultimately decide what to do with their pets. Pretty much all research anyone can do on the husky breed will tell them that a husky shouldnt be let off leash [Even I know that] and also with a forum like this- they can base their own decisions on what they read. Thats how I feel anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmberScheuer Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Ooh, before this thread gets closed though, this is interesting! I found an excerpt from the book online. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3563015/The-philosopher-and-the-wolf.html He talks about Brening being 96% wolf - the largest amount of hybrid that is "legal" in the US, apparently. And the "breeder" assures him that he only wrote that for legal reasons - Brenin was actually 100% wolf. Does this look like a wolf to anyone? You can see the wolfish traits in the long legs and the hindquarters/tail at least, but the broad chest, wide head and distinctive mask all suggest malamute. To call Brenin 50/50 would be generous, I think, and it speaks tot he author's ignorance that he jusst took the breeder at his word that this was a pure wolf. The "breeder" is also one sketchy dude in that he lets the pups go at 6 weeks. By Rowlands' own words Brenin is literally pulled from his mother's teat and brought home - and he wonders why the pup refuses anything to eat for days on end... He also equates typical husky/malamute/puppy-in-general destructive behaviour and miniscule attention spans to Brenin being a "wolf." And all that just from the excerpt! So in summary, this is not a person whose word I would heed, respect, or even take seriously. It may be an entertaining read and personal anecdote, the that's the most anyone should seriously take out of it. I see the Mally features for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 i have wrote about letting huskys off the lead before and have had alot off shit from it. i am reading a book at the minit about a philosopher who owed a wolf and the book is about him bringin up and living with this wolf i have olny read a little at the moment but i am glued to it , he traines is wolf on and of the lead within 15 minits and belives it is and i quote, "people including people who owned wolfs told me that it was impossible to train wolf to walk on leash , those sort of people who kept there wolfs , wolf-dog or dogs loked up in a run in the back garden , and that i belive is a criminal act for wich a custodial sentence would be apropiate .it actually took no more than two minits to get brenin to walk on leash . outher people told me it was impossible to train a wolf to walk heel . that took a further 10 minits .once we masterd the basics of that teaching brenin to walk of leash was suprisingly easy " i could go on as there is alot about people beliveng it is impossible to do this and that but i wont lol the book is called the philosopher and the wolf and is a life changin book to those who hold there huskys as they are the closest things to wolfs , de0ar to them i fully recomend it . OK I'll bite and wont close the topic for the minute ..... Very very few agree with you so would like you to answer the following if you would. Why are you starting topics just to cause problems, as you know it will through experience? Why do you seem to be under the influence you wont be stopped from putting up these topics eventually as its becoming annoying? Why do you think it is ok to put "getting shit for it" when it is clearly against the rules to use fowl language on the forum? You made your point.... And people do not agree with you. Get over it and move on .... Clear enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed #2 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Well, isnt everyone entitled to their own opinion? It should be up to an owner- new or not- what they ultimately decide what to do with their pets. Pretty much all research anyone can do on the husky breed will tell them that a husky shouldnt be let off leash [Even I know that] and also with a forum like this- they can base their own decisions on what they read. Thats how I feel anyway. My last input, but Amber, as a new member with just 15 posts...bringing up such a controversial subject could easily make members believe that you are here simply to stir up trouble. It's probably not the best choice of topics to introduce yourself with . You are right, everyone is entitled to do what they want with their own dog, though we have all here learned that this is a subject that simply ends up with hurt feelings, arguments and even people being banned. Let's try to avoid it and as other have said, stop beating a dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed #2 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Well, Ill let you know when he doesnt "recall." Till then he very much enjoys his days at the beach where he has the freedom to dive into the waves and not bring my pregnant self down with him! LOL. He is such a character. Sure hope that when you do tell us that it's not a R.I.P. post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Sure hope that when you do tell us that it's not a R.I.P. post. See I was gonna say that and thought I may have been being an arse LOL ... Glad someone else said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasodaisy Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Well, Ill let you know when he doesnt "recall." Till then he very much enjoys his days at the beach where he has the freedom to dive into the waves and not bring my pregnant self down with him! LOL. He is such a character. This is actually the comment that got me thinking, honestly I'm not strong enough to fight mother nature, as I read this my thoughts were a. I hope you never get tested on his recall and b. if you do please don't come back and tell us cos I don't want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed #2 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 See I was gonna say that and thought I may have been being an arse LOL ... Glad someone else said it Well, that's okay Marc, everyone knows I'm a bi**h, but my heart is in the right place. NOW CLOSE THIS POST< PLEASE>>>>>>>>>>:worship: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 doesnt look wolf at all to me - looks mally to me too - has similar markings to my blaze - who also holds his tail like that when relaxed Well, isnt everyone entitled to their own opinion? It should be up to an owner- new or not- what they ultimately decide what to do with their pets. Pretty much all research anyone can do on the husky breed will tell them that a husky shouldnt be let off leash [Even I know that] and also with a forum like this- they can base their own decisions on what they read. Thats how I feel anyway. yes every1 is entilted to their own opinion n what people do with their dogs is upto them but think if u were new to the breed - despite being told by EVERY1 that sibes are no good offlead and will run due to their nature and high prey drive - then u read a post like this saying LOOK U CAN TRAIN HUSKIES OFFLEAD!!!! and somebody who doesnt REALLY know how hard training a recall in ANY breed can be - lets their husky offlead - expecting that just because they have a toy their dog loves or treats their dog WILL come back when they call it - after all - sum1 said they would , then the dog spots a cat - a squirrel - a crisp packet being blown in the wind and suddenly the prey drive the desire to chase kicks in - the owner frantically calls the dogs back whislt chasing it - the dog thinks is the best game in the world chasing a item of desire whilst the owner runs around just as excited (in the dogs mind) as the dog is - then the crisp packet blows across a road - theres even more exciting noises around n then suddenly the dog gets hit by a car - who will that owner blame - the person who posted saying they CAN let their dog off the lead and the person who told them they could too - because they read it so it must be true in the end the owner is distraught - their new bundle of fur that they have just got - or had for years n had let the dog offlead sucessfully for years - is now lying in the road no longer full of life happiness and playfulness all because they took on the advice of one person rather then the 100s who say not too ill re-quote 'its your choice and your dog.... n yet not YOUR LIFE at risk!' im not being harsh - im being honest - it happened to a friend of mine if u read my first reply to this topic - i love my dogs FAR to much to risk their lives n could never forgive myself if something happened to them and i hope no1 else posts in the rainbow bridge about how their 100% recalled husky - decided instict was more fun this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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