BingBlaze n Skyla Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 poor things http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2008/07/22/shocking-dog-fight-breaks-out-in-boro-centre-square-84229-21382158/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebe03 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 I hope the dogs received veterinary attention following the fight. So glad I don't live around that area anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingspanner Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 There's an easy way to stop this aggressive behaviour. Put the idiotic lads that own these poor dogs to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 wonder what made them start fighting .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Witness Tom Elliott, 36, said: “It was shocking. They should never have been let off the leads in the first place. “They were ripping shreds out of each other and there was blood everywhere.†Mr Elliott went on to describe how, even when the owners got the animals’ leads on, they were still fighting in mid-air. “It was like a scene from the Matrix,†he said. “There were dozens of people sitting eating their lunch or passing by. It was lucky that the dogs didn't hurt any people. “They should be banned in public places - even if they are on leads.†i hate this bit tbh - hes right that they shouldnt have been offlead however just cuz a dog doesnt like other dogs does not mean they will attack a person and banning them from public is just stupid! what about all the responsible owners! their dogs would no longer get walks ! how stupid - people need to realise its NOT the dogs fault AT ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 wonder what made them start fighting .. who knows - not all dogs get on tho - they could have just been two intact males who took a dislike to each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 who knows - not all dogs get on tho - they could have just been two intact males who took a dislike to each other true thats why i cant see why the owners are gettin blamed? its not like the were edging the dogs on .. for all we know they could have got on and suddenly didnt .. just like akitas can strangely turn on same sex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingspanner Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 wonder what made them start fighting .. The owners, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhalla Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Looking at the photos its a classic case of one dog off lead and one on, the lad with the dog on lead cannot get away with his dog as the other one is still attacking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 true thats why i cant see why the owners are gettin blamed? its not like the were edging the dogs on .. for all we know they could have got on and suddenly didnt .. just like akitas can strangely turn on same sex i know what u mean - not all dogs - like people get on - theres some dogs skyla instantly loves others she doesnt - they just let their dogs off to have fun in the fountain n then they started so they tried what they could to seperate them there could have even been an inseason bitch near by for all we/they know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Looking at the photos its a classic case of one dog off lead and one on, the lad with the dog on lead cannot get away with his dog as the other one is still attacking look at the pics tho - the 1 off lead looks to have come off worse n the 1 on lead actually has hold of the offlead dogs face - they were both offlead when the attack took place however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 i seen a youtube video of staffies suddenly attacking each other was the same sex , was absoloutly horrifing to watch and to see the owners try desperatly to seperate but as we know when these dogs attach its very hard to sepperate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhalla Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 look at the pics tho - the 1 off lead looks to have come off worse n the 1 on lead actually has hold of the offlead dogs face - they were both offlead when the attack took place however I was only looking at the pics Nix, however Odin always grumpy at other dogs when on lead, but when off he plays with them, so I think when the lad put his dog back on lead he became more aggressive ie he had nowhere to go but fight ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 i seen a youtube video of staffies suddenly attacking each other was the same sex , was absoloutly horrifing to watch and to see the owners try desperatly to seperate but as we know when these dogs attach its very hard to sepperate oh i know all to well unfortunately I was only looking at the pics Nix, however Odin always grumpy at other dogs when on lead, but when off he plays with them, so I think when the lad put his dog back on lead he became more aggressive ie he had nowhere to go but fight ? true - blaze can be the same -obv hes not let offlead but he is fine near other dogs unless they run at him then obv he cant get away so tries to bite them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Poor dogs :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magical Merlin Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 whats that bit at the end about the poor akita....its on a lead! Grrr, dogs on leads that have a go will be next. Grrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hollow Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Some people just hate on others, and unfortunately that's all the witness is doing. He's probably afraid of dogs because some Labrador licked him as a child and scarred him for life! As for the dog fight, Staffies were bred for fighting, they don't often get on well with each other. Other dogs, no problem, humans, no problem, other staffies, instinct kicks in, which unfortunately in that dog is "KILL THE OTHER DOG!!" They can be very lovely dogs to have, but don't let them near other staffies. This is the problem with dogs bred for fighting and defence, they can be mentally unstable. Most staffies are also pretty stupid and hard to train to do much more than sit, even then they don't do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted August 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Some people just hate on others, and unfortunately that's all the witness is doing. He's probably afraid of dogs because some Labrador licked him as a child and scarred him for life! As for the dog fight, Staffies were bred for fighting, they don't often get on well with each other. Other dogs, no problem, humans, no problem, other staffies, instinct kicks in, which unfortunately in that dog is "KILL THE OTHER DOG!!" They can be very lovely dogs to have, but don't let them near other staffies. This is the problem with dogs bred for fighting and defence, they can be mentally unstable. Most staffies are also pretty stupid and hard to train to do much more than sit, even then they don't do well. i dont agree - sorry - staffies were not bred for fighting and are actually known as the nany dog - i actually own a staffy cross and from what i can tell of his background was he was being trained up as a fighting dog - he is terrified of men and any1 raising his arm sends him cowering (im positive he was abused) and the only game he will play is tug - and he tugs so hard it feels like ur arms about to be ripped off - the reason i feel he was dumped is that he is just soo friendly - he loves ALL other dogs and people - ok hes not keen on men but hes not aggressive with it - just prefers to avoid them - no dog was bred for fighting - its just being a strong muscly dog that people started using them for fighting n then started breeding agressive dogs - my staff has also met ALOT of other staffies - and there plenty of staffies in my area that all hang out together - onlead offlead just having fun - its the owners imo never the dog - my boy is also VERY clever we got him when he was around 3 years old n i taught him loads of tricks - tho play dead is his fave lol he used to be able 2 stand up on his back legs n twirl around but he hurt one of his legs so cant do that anymore c3y0p28woaU 2wt08OUwLiU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magical Merlin Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Have to say, working in a rescue center where 95% of our dogs are SBT or SBT types the only way to assess their temprement with other dogs is to assess them with other dogs, this means staffies of the same sex mixing. neutered and un neutered. There are very few we have a problem with and all of ours are from abusive backgrounds including fighting homes. as far as their intelligence goes, they learn things very well, very quickly and very soundly the first time round when they are pups, the problem comes with trying to re educate them/change behaviour which is why you have to teach them new behaviours when the first set of training has gone wrong. They don't seem to cope learning the same command given a different way so you have to reteach it your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 i wouldnt say staffies are stupid , thats like everyone who says husky's are stupid and hard to train , they arent! there too smart and the can easily train there owners therfore making people beleive there stupid cause they cant seem to get the jist of it , you put time and effort in and any dog is smart in my eyes no dog is "stupid" , bpxers are known for being really stupid dogs .. well they arent once you put the time in there just like every other dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hollow Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 A little research into Staffies and various other dogs like them, will tell you clearly the breed emerged because of dog fights. This is not too dissimilar to the way slaves were bred, the biggest were allowed to mate, the small ones weren't. They also had to be dumb, because the whole idea was to get big, strong, stupid slaves. Dogs were bred initially a long time ago, way before our life times, to do specific jobs. Dogs like Jack Russells for example, were bred for badgering and fox holing, because they could fit down the hole and were viscious enough to fight and win against a badger! These days, people don't even know these facts, let alone think them, and Jack Russells are gorgeous little pets, I adore them, but have you ever seen one turn? Not a pretty site I can tell you! Learning simple commands is easy for most dogs, even the dumbest of the dumb get it to some extent, but try extended training with a staffie, you won't get far. As for socialising with other dogs, yeah sure, you can test a dog with other dogs, with cats, with kids, but the simple fact is, they can turn, and you'll have no idea why, they just do. I'm not saying ALL Staffies are bad, I actually quite like the breed when they're well homed and well treated, but they have a tendency to be homed with idiots with tattoes and gold chains and Ford Escort RS Turbo look-a-likes etc. (Sorry for being stereotypical there, needed to get a point across, those things do not an idiot make) who play things like tug with them in all the wrong ways. I'm positive your staffie is lovely nixy, because you care for your dogs, you clearly have a passion for them that is second to none. Huskies aren't stupid, the people who say they're stupid are stupid. The problem here is misunderstanding, stupid in a dog, does not mean you can't teach it to sit, it doesn't mean you can't teach it to play tug or play dead, it means there are limits to what you can train it to do. Dogs like GSDs, Labs, Collies, Huskies etc. all have large learning capacity, they can learn things forever, they also can learn to do lots of things that many dogs can't. Of course all dogs are different as I myself have said this very day on this very forum, but as a rule, compared to the breeds I've named above, Staffies are just plain dumb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 oh also i had a border collie thoughout my youth , number 1 intelligent dog they say? took mine till about 15 weeks maybe more to learn "sit" maya learned this at 6 weeks old in about 15 mins .. the scary thing for me is my bc aimed to please me and did what i wanted other than think for itself where maya is independant and highly intelligent where she wont do what i want just for the hell of it she knows you want me do something wheres my treat? now i think thats highly clever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hollow Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 oh also i had a border collie thoughout my youth , number 1 intelligent dog they say? took mine till about 15 weeks maybe more to learn "sit" maya learned this at 6 weeks old in about 15 mins .. the scary thing for me is my bc aimed to please me and did what i wanted other than think for itself where maya is independant and highly intelligent where she wont do what i want just for the hell of it she knows you want me do something wheres my treat? now i think thats highly clever You've just illustrated my point exactly! Collies have a rep to keep up for being smart, which they are, but only in the sense that they can learn a LOT! They don't think for themselves, if they did, then they would be TERRIBLE sheep dogs. Can you imagine a sheep dog that thought for itself? There'd be no sheep left! However, if you own a collie, you will NEVER doubt that it'll come back to you when you whistle or call it, and I do mean NEVER! With a staffie, you can never be sure of anything and with a Huskie, it seems to depend on the dog. Syntax has learned to sit, stay, bed, down, no, oi (My favourite atm) and his name, and he's already challenging me by when I call his name, he just looks and me as if to say, WHAT!? If I was training a collie right now, I'd be done, he'd be fully trained, not toileting in the house, coming back on command, jumping through hoops on the trampoline in the garden, etc. but only if I bloody well said so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 okai so you state staffies where breed for fightin dogs , wrong .. staffidshire bull terriers werent but yes american pitbull terriers were there is a difference , and when they were breed to fight they certrainly didnt dumb the dog down that would be stupid! as it could lead to a very easy corruption and an attack on a man , where this was not aloud , the breed these dogs to simply fight other dogs when told but not to attack a person and if this dog did so they would be put to sleep to stop them from being breed and destryoing the breed , thats why today stupid breeders have destroyed this breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 thats because border collies have been breed to herd as huskies were breed to be prey dogs and they will act on this as a border collie will act on there hearding instincts i dogs intelligence cant be bassed on the jobs , they all have different jobs , its there tricks ect which any dog can do any trick given the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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