Bec Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 oh no thats fine dnt wrry bout it it didnt sound like u were dissing it at all i can totally understand why u wud b curious i guess im not very good at explaining things No you're good at communicating The name flicking just had me wondering what it meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakersmama Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 What I did was kind of tap him on the nose and say no. He's definitely hand shy b/c he started nipping again last night and wouldn't stop until I put him in his crate for awhile. I think he definitely has more problems with it inside.... I'm not sure he even likes being inside, but he gets nervous about some noises outside at night so I've been bringing him in after dark... For some reason I have a hard time remembering to flick, so I'm not sure that's going to work for us. I'll try saying no and replacing with a toy. Yes, it's frutrating to have a dog and kids, isn't it? I'm finding that it helps to reduce their interactions to very short spurts (llike 10-15 minutes) that begin with them having him follow a few commands. Then I either crate him, put him outside or send them to another room. I'm not sure if it's helping him or it's just helping my patience, though. Well, HOPEFULLY we will be away later today and you won't hear from me until late tomorrow night or Wed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 My beagle was a terrible jumper when she was a pup, so I used the NILIF principle (nothing in life is free) to teach her to offer a positive behaviour when she wanted attention instead. She had to learn that any time she wanted something (food, attention/a pat, a throw of her toy, wanting me to open the door so she can go outside etc etc) she would have to "pay" for it first. So as soon as I got home and she came running up to jump on me, I would tell her to sit, and would ignore her until her butt was sitting calmly on the floor. As soon as her butt hit the ground, I would give her loads of attention and praise. It didn't take long for her to pick up that jumping up = nothing but sitting nicely = attention. So now when I get home I have a dog who runs up to me and sits her butt on the ground waiting for a pat As for nipping/play biting - there are a few things that are tried and tested. Saying "no" and redirecting the dog to a toy often works well to give them an 'allowed' outlet for their burst of energy. Diverting the dog's attention when you can tell they are getting hyped up and nippy can be useful too, put them in a pen or outside/in another room and allow them to calm down and get over their hyper energy before letting them out to engage with them. For more severe cases you can get a spray bottle with water and spray the dog with a quick burst of water when they nip you. But teaching an alternative positive behaviour is often useful as the dog needs to learn what they can do, not just what they can't (if that makes sense). No worries Nix, I was just wondering what the flicking involved Excellant Advice Smeagle! My boys will jump up aswell when we come home, Luckily Marley is very good and doesnt usually jump up everytime. I was thinking the following would work? For example, When Gizmo and Bandit jump up and Marley stays on the floor I will Say hello to Marley and give him a small treat and ignore Gizmo and Bandit until they have calmed down and when they do calm down I will then say hello to them and give them a small treat. Basically ignore them until they stop jumping up and have calmed down and when they are calm I then give them attention and a treat. Do you think that would work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Excellant Advice Smeagle! My boys will jump up aswell when we come home, Luckily Marley is very good and doesnt usually jump up everytime. I was thinking the following would work? For example, When Gizmo and Bandit jump up and Marley stays on the floor I will Say hello to Marley and give him a small treat and ignore Gizmo and Bandit until they have calmed down and when they do calm down I will then say hello to them and give them a small treat. Basically ignore them until they stop jumping up and have calmed down and when they are calm I then give them attention and a treat. Do you think that would work? Yep... that's what I do! Having three dogs too they are always excited when I get home and let them inside. The first dog to be sitting nicely and calmly gets a pat and let inside first, I find it works wonders and encourages them to sit nicely more quickly Giving them an alternative behaviour to the jumping (i.e. sitting or standing calmly) works well because the jumping is how they have learned to get attention - so I retrain them to think that sitting calmly is how they get attention instead. In no time you will literally have an 'automatic sitter'. Many people make their dogs sit for their dinner, after a couple of meals the dog will sit before you ask it to and getting them to do so for attention works in the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Cool, I will have to give that a try, on walks Gizmo is very good when we leave and come back and will sit before we leave and let me put the lead on and get myself ready and will then sit again before we leave the house, I do have to give him the sit command but he does it straight after I say it. And then when we come back he will sit before we go back inside and stays sat until I say 'come in' and will then follow me in. He will also sit sometimes before we cross the road but he hasn't mastered this part yet, he is getting better though. Its just when they have been at home for a few hours they are all extremely excited as they know when I get home I will take them straight out for a walk pretty much and I think as they know this it makes them more excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Yes, it's frutrating to have a dog and kids, isn't it? I'm finding that it helps to reduce their interactions to very short spurts (llike 10-15 minutes) that begin with them having him follow a few commands. Then I either crate him, put him outside or send them to another room. I'm not sure if it's helping him or it's just helping my patience, though. Well, HOPEFULLY we will be away later today and you won't hear from me until late tomorrow night or Wed.... Unfortunately i can't just send him to another room, he's only 1!!! he just wants to cuddle and kiss her CONSTANTLY! And she doesn't like her crate right now...and i just don't have the time to slowly slowly it...i think we will have to tho, but she is fine out of it in the kitchen during the day or in our room at night... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Unfortunately i can't just send him to another room, he's only 1!!! he just wants to cuddle and kiss her CONSTANTLY! And she doesn't like her crate right now...and i just don't have the time to slowly slowly it...i think we will have to tho, but she is fine out of it in the kitchen during the day or in our room at night... That reminds me I was going to get something up together for you about using aromatherapy wasnt !, will get onto that for you. It must be hard trying to stop Eika nipping with Josh as its not like you can simply tell him what to do and he will understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 exactly...thing is he shoves his hand in her mouth! then cries if she nibbles!....aarrrggh! Oh thank you...i would be really interested in it... don't know if you've seen but we have abandoned the crate right now, it just wasn't working...but might go back to it at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Just a thought, not sure if it would be affective or not but have you tried teaching the 'leave it' command? Just thinking if you could teach this then when Eika goes to nibble/bite you can tell her to 'leave it' and this may stop it, but Im not completely sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 we are trying to teach her it...but she is extremely strong willed...i think she has a lot of her dad's personality of ADHD in her...!!! she is learning that Josh's toys are off limits, with the leave it command...so we will try that as well...thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakersmama Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Oh, it must be really hard with a one year old! Hang in there. I tried something from one of those links this morning and I don't think it has totally solved our problem (yet!?), but it might help with Joshua... it said to spread butter on my fingers and have him lick and while he licks to praise him and say "kisses" and make a big deal about what a good boy he is, but pull hands away and say no if he starts biting. To taste the butter, he has to lick... I tried it on my hands first and he licked it all off without biting and seemed quite pleased with himself getting all that praise. So, I let my 6 year old do it and same thing. My older son didn't want butter on his fingers, but just held his hand out a few min. after that and sneakers just licked for awhile and quit, so I think it at least gave him an idea of HOW to "love on" the boys? We still have the issue of nipping at clothes and pulling on them, but I'm thinking I will try this a couple of times a day along with the rest and at least I feel like it might help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex T Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 We had similar problems with Isis and our 2 year old the first few weeks we had her. But we kept telling Isis no when she was biting on his hand and telling Bradley no when he was all over her! Within about a month- they both got used to each other, and weve had no problems since! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 thats what we're doing Alex, telling them both no...very hard work!! but will be so worth it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Sqwidge apologies if you have already tried it, but have you tried putting your pup on a leash when she is around your baby? and controlling their time together that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 i haven't, but i think that might be a good idea...thanks Bec... we have puppy classes tonight, so she will be quite tired when getting back, but will try it tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bec Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 It will definitely make it easier for you to control their interactions, and you will be able to reel her back and work on her learning 'leave it' etc. Hope you have a good time at puppy class! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 She was so funny last week, we're only doing 'puppy parties' at the vets right now, to get her socialised earlier...so once the pups have had their 1st vaccination they can go. She didn't want to go near the small pups, but the nurse brought out her 2 older dogs later on when the class was finished and she was all over them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_wolf Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 we have puppy classes tonight, so she will be quite tired when getting back, but will try it tomorrow. Good luck at puppy class let us know how it goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwidge Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 will do, hopefully there will be more puppies for her to play with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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