Paulusworm Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Someone please help before I lose my tiny grip on sanity, lol. I was out walking Buddy and Star this morning and bumped into a guy, bloody nice bloke, who knew his huskies. He recognised the Budster's bloodline, which I already knew as we have his KC papers, and he said that Star looked like she had some Zero in her. After many hours of searching t'internet all I have discovered is that the BSHRA don't let them race. I guess the reason being that, from what the guy told me this morning, Zero dogs are flippin' fast. Can any of you good people cast any light on this please? We don't have any of Star's papers so can't trace her tree back for clues. Cheers Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dygosamikita Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Zero seems to be one of the major bloodlines in the UK. Apparently there are 3 others, Anadyr, Lokiboden, and Seppella. From what I can gather they are known for their speed. Here is a link to someone page. http://www.chukotski-racing-siberians.co.uk/pedigrees.htm. If you look at the pedigree papers for the puppies you can see the Zero line back at the ggg grandparents. As they are AKC it looks like they are originally from the states. Can't really find too much else on it, hope that helps a little at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazz Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 The Zero bloodline, I believe, was developed in the late 1970s or early 1980s by Harris Dunlap out of Bakers Mills, New York. Much of the information on this topic was on sites related to the Seppala Sled Dogs. Unfortunately, most of those sites have been shutdown recently. It seems the effort to maintain or replicate the Seppala bloodline became too diverse and took several directions. But I digress. Harris Dunlap was one of the few who developed a team of Siberians that raced in open competition and were extremely fast. He started racing in the 1960s with Siberians, but later switched to Alaskan Huskies, but still bred Siberians. It is Siberians that are traced back to Harris Dunlap's line that are referred to as Zero Bloodline Siberians. The reason that the BSHRA will disqualify dogs from this line, is because they believe a dog within a certain number of generations will be genetically predisposed to be better at speed running than a dog that does not have the Zero Bloodline in its pedigree. Dunlap was an active breeder from the early 1960s up until about 1990. Zero Bloodline Huskies were developed out of Igloo Pak, Calivali, Seeley, and Seppala Bloodlines. He also used some Canadian lines in developing the Zero Bloodline. Does a Zero Bloodline Siberian look any different than a non-Zero Bloodline Siberian? Some say no, others say yes. There was some thought that Harris actually introduced another breed into the mix to get the results he wanted. Many suspect this other breed was the Alaskan Husky (which is a mixed breed containing Siberian Husky), which he also bred. Zero Bloodline Huskies most often have very short hair and minimal undercoat. The controversy of the Zero Bloodline seems to be more active in Europe than in the US where Harris Dunlap exported some of his dogs. Just so you know, I did not know any of this until today, and gleaned it from researching the Internet for about an hour or so. So, since the information came from the Internet, it is suspect of having some mis-statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyries Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 wow Dave well done xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosemary Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Great post Dave The reason that the BSHRA will disqualify dogs from this line, is because they believe a dog within a certain number of generations will be genetically predisposed to be better at speed running than a dog that does not have the Zero Bloodline in its pedigree. Found this passage strange though - I would have thought that their speed would be a benefit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chezell Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 This particular topic cause's a lot of controversy on other sites and I'm not sure of the in's and out's, but I'm sure someone with more knowledge than I will come along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazz Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Great post Dave The reason that the BSHRA will disqualify dogs from this line, is because they believe a dog within a certain number of generations will be genetically predisposed to be better at speed running than a dog that does not have the Zero Bloodline in its pedigree. Found this passage strange though - I would have thought that their speed would be a benefit? You are correct Rosemary, it would be a benefit - or give an advantage - for those running the dogs from the Zero Bloodline, but a disadvantage for those running dogs that were not from the Zero Bloodline. It may also be due to the controversy that Dunlap may have introduced Alaskan Huskies into the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulusworm Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Thanks Dave. I must have missed that site or lost the will to live before reaching it, lol. One of my friends summed it up quite well when it came to the speed issue when she said that it would be like entering a thoroughbred racehorse into a donkey derby. No contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid_Wolf Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 They have a short coat and minimal undercoat?? Hmmm... Kira isnt as 'fluffy' as any other sibe i've seen, and she doesnt 'blow' like others either... Theres not a massive amount... Zero blood somewhere maybe?? But then i've been told she looks BYB bred (thanks mick ) we dont know her pedigree so who knows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 she is still my fave girlie & beautiful sid, xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid_Wolf Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 well as far as they're concerned she's unreg'd so if she is zero she'll be an asset to yur team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca_&_me Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Wow Dave thank you for looking that up and sharing the info with us. Its good to know. Rep Added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tikaani&Aiyana Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Great info Dave, you learn something new everyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISDW Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Very, very controversial subject, I have asked about it on another forum and to friends who have been working their sibes for a long time. As far as I know, and again, this is just from what I have learnt very recently, and so it could well be wrong, you can race dogs in the UK with zero in their bloodlines, but it has to be further back than 5 generations. The reason I believe, isn't because of speed, that would be totally unfair obviously. if these were purebred siberians, but because of the unsubstantiated belief by some people that Dunlap added something else to his line, thereby making these dogs non pure bred siberians. This could explain the different coat texture. I have been told that you need to be very careful when discussing this, especially if putting anything in writing, such as on the internet, as there have been court cases in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid_Wolf Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 There are times when I wish I did know Kira's bloodlines, it would make for interesting reading lol She is very fast, and the past couple of weeks she has excelled in her training (we go out usually around midnight if its cool enough) Im sure she must be from working lines, I just wish I knew which ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulusworm Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 There are times when I wish I did know Kira's bloodlines, it would make for interesting reading lol She is very fast, and the past couple of weeks she has excelled in her training (we go out usually around midnight if its cool enough) Im sure she must be from working lines, I just wish I knew which ones That's pretty much exactly why I want to know. Curiosity more than anything . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid_Wolf Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 That's pretty much exactly why I want to know. Curiosity more than anything . Do you work yours Paul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulusworm Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Do you work yours Paul? Not yet. Star and Bud are both rescue/rehomes. Star was not being fed or exercised properly and Bud is recovering from a broken hip. Hopefully we should be able to have them hitched up by late 2011. Taking things slowly with them for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Not yet. Star and Bud are both rescue/rehomes. Star was not being fed or exercised properly and Bud is recovering from a broken hip. Hopefully we should be able to have them hitched up by late 2011. Taking things slowly with them for the time being. Awww poor things - good on your for taking them on and bringing them back to full health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssjx7squall Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Hmm just to throw in my two cents i think the reason they may have been disqualfied would probably be because of the possibilty of the alaskan thrown into the mix, because wouldnt this really keep them from being a true pure bread siberian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 mmmmm just checked taz's pedigree , he has 17 zeros on his pedigree , 5 on the 4th lot of names and 12 on the last line , explains a lot ....... not , now utterly confused , so what cant he do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 oh and 10 are imports ,if that makes any difference lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERNOWHUSKIES Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 hmmmmmmm.............. far 2 confusin if u ask me, mine r just here 2 make me smile. But Nanook cant half run !!!! so would b interestin 2 find out all of their lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules dief taz tor Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 taz is just completly bonkers, in an off his head sort of way lol, and he can run fast, his other side of the pedigree are forstals , another lot of racers i believe, wonder what they were crossed with ? looking at taz i would have to say greyhounds lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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