Interesting arguments Jos. My boys are both rescues and so spayed by the rescue organisation as not all owners ard responsible and there are sadly too many unwanted dogs. We had an intact bitch years ago, we didn't want puppies and she couldnt even go in our garden surrounded by a 6ft fence unattended when in heat as dogs would jump and climb over, had 2 young children at the time and a garden full of strange hormonal dogs. I'm not saying you are wrong just putting forward why we have made the decision.